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Comments on: Zhang Huan’s “Altered States” & Kira O’Reilly
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Seminar 1 with Professor Orenstein | HN C100 | W 3:10-5:40Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:26:19 +0000http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2By: jwang
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jwangWed, 03 Oct 2007 05:29:21 +0000http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=82#comment-56Ly and Joey, I agree with you two on the first image. I was looking at it and just thinking how her work wasn't all that horrible - until I scrolled down a bit. That's when I winced. To be blunt, I think it's ridiculous how far she will go for shock value. I'm sure that she has some sort of message that she is trying to send, but it could probably be done without cutting herself - this just draws attention to the fact that she is disfiguring her own body for the purpose of other people seeing it. It seems as if she does it all for attention, and for people to gasp and be amazed at how much she will do and how much pain she will put herself through for "art." The fact that she cuts herself while other people watch is simply just disturbing for me to think about.Ly and Joey, I agree with you two on the first image. I was looking at it and just thinking how her work wasn’t all that horrible - until I scrolled down a bit. That’s when I winced. To be blunt, I think it’s ridiculous how far she will go for shock value. I’m sure that she has some sort of message that she is trying to send, but it could probably be done without cutting herself - this just draws attention to the fact that she is disfiguring her own body for the purpose of other people seeing it. It seems as if she does it all for attention, and for people to gasp and be amazed at how much she will do and how much pain she will put herself through for “art.” The fact that she cuts herself while other people watch is simply just disturbing for me to think about.
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Ly Ky TranWed, 03 Oct 2007 05:04:42 +0000http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=82#comment-55Joey, I loved your interpretation of that image with the pig and the artist. I loved how you viewed that as a manifestation of the likeness of humans and animals and how maybe we really aren't that separate from the animal kingdom and that we, ourselves, are descendants from that kingdom. It is a very eerie concept and an even eerier manner of portraying that, but, once again, I would like to emphasize the fact that the meaning of art is "in the eye of the beholder." Thank you so much Elias for posting on this. It was really insightful and interesting! :DJoey, I loved your interpretation of that image with the pig and the artist. I loved how you viewed that as a manifestation of the likeness of humans and animals and how maybe we really aren’t that separate from the animal kingdom and that we, ourselves, are descendants from that kingdom. It is a very eerie concept and an even eerier manner of portraying that, but, once again, I would like to emphasize the fact that the meaning of art is “in the eye of the beholder.” Thank you so much Elias for posting on this. It was really insightful and interesting!
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jdiconcettoWed, 03 Oct 2007 02:48:36 +0000http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=82#comment-54Kim, I completely agree with you. Her pieces border on masochistic and they make me very uncomfortable. They also border on bestiality, which is something that again makes me feel really uncomfortable. There is one image on your blog that is really beautiful however. The firt picture you show is possibly one fo the most beautiful I have ever seen. I thought at first that the pig was another person and I was very confused. Her skin tone and the pig's are so similar, that I guess I just assumed. It was incredible when I realized that it was a pig. I had this sense that we really weren't that different from that animal. We were just like that animal. And everything around me seemed to become one. It was really amazing...and then I scrolled down and saw her cutting herself and i was beside myself. That one image is really beautiful though.Kim, I completely agree with you. Her pieces border on masochistic and they make me very uncomfortable. They also border on bestiality, which is something that again makes me feel really uncomfortable. There is one image on your blog that is really beautiful however. The firt picture you show is possibly one fo the most beautiful I have ever seen. I thought at first that the pig was another person and I was very confused. Her skin tone and the pig’s are so similar, that I guess I just assumed. It was incredible when I realized that it was a pig. I had this sense that we really weren’t that different from that animal. We were just like that animal. And everything around me seemed to become one. It was really amazing…and then I scrolled down and saw her cutting herself and i was beside myself. That one image is really beautiful though.
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jcortezTue, 02 Oct 2007 20:16:58 +0000http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=82#comment-52Valentina, I chose the same Zhang pieces to speak about. I really lked your insight about how his performance of "To Raise the Water Level in a Fishpond” and “To Add One Meter to an Anonymous Mountain" empowers people. Though I got the message, I didn't saw it as inspirational,but now I can. It is intersting how your artist is so extreme and yet she does't get her point across as clearly as Huan did. I think it speaks for how a cry for attention and exposure is different from an expression of art. Though my artist (Keats) never exposed himself, he sold his thoughts while sitting in a chair watching a nude woman. I don't why but I was reminded of him while reading your pieceValentina, I chose the same Zhang pieces to speak about. I really lked your insight about how his performance of “To Raise the Water Level in a Fishpond” and “To Add One Meter to an Anonymous Mountain” empowers people. Though I got the message, I didn’t saw it as inspirational,but now I can. It is intersting how your artist is so extreme and yet she does’t get her point across as clearly as Huan did. I think it speaks for how a cry for attention and exposure is different from an expression of art. Though my artist (Keats) never exposed himself, he sold his thoughts while sitting in a chair watching a nude woman. I don’t why but I was reminded of him while reading your piece
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valentina.losevaTue, 02 Oct 2007 02:11:25 +0000http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=82#comment-50Kira O'reilly's work is certainly not for everyone. It seems that she mutilates herself to prove something to herself and to the world. In a way, it is almost similar to the way Zhang Huan's attempts to take his own body and his audience to the next level, to push them to understand boundaries they've never even seen. Because she is a woman, this kind of masochism is more unexpected from her than from a man. Audiences are more surprised to see a female engaged in this type of performance art and I think this is part of her reasons for these kinds of crude performances.Kira O’reilly’s work is certainly not for everyone. It seems that she mutilates herself to prove something to herself and to the world. In a way, it is almost similar to the way Zhang Huan’s attempts to take his own body and his audience to the next level, to push them to understand boundaries they’ve never even seen. Because she is a woman, this kind of masochism is more unexpected from her than from a man. Audiences are more surprised to see a female engaged in this type of performance art and I think this is part of her reasons for these kinds of crude performances.
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