Frank Bidart “If See No End In Is”

“The finite you know you fear is infinite: even at eleven, what you love is what you should not love, which endless bullies intuit unerringly.”
I found this line to be very thought-provoking.  The paradoxical statement that it starts with sets a tone of helplessness.  If the our obviously limited knowledge is unending then we can not aspire to know everything.  However, this is simply a fact; rather, it is a reminder of our humanity.  The image that follows is somewhat confusing though.  Is Bidart saying that bullies discover your flawed choice of love or is he playing to a larger picture, trying to say that our misjudgments will always be dissevered despite our innocent preferences?

“Ellen West” question

I was wondering why Frank Bidart would write a poem about anorexia. Anorexia is a sickness that is misunderstood today but through his poem Bidart puts us into the shoes of someone that has anorexia and shows us how she feels. Also, could have Bidart felt the desire to not be what he was and that’s why he wrote the poem, to show that everyone has problems with themselves? Could the poem be about self-esteem issues in general and not only anorexia?

Jonathan Galassi

From my understanding, Jonathan Galassi is  widely known for his publishing and translating of Italian poetry (I did read additional information and found that he is a poet himself). Although many people compliment his ability to translate poetry well, I wonder if there is anything that is “lost in translation”? Often times there are things that do not translate to English directly, and poetry is so heavily dependent on structure and form, are there moments when what the original author intended is lost in the English translation, such as emotion, tone or even message?

In Bidart’s bio, it says he succeeded in making Herbert White human. As disturbing as the poem was, I can’t help but wonder if Bidart was not just trying to allow us access into the head of a psychopath. Perhaps he was trying to highlight the lowest depravation and decay of society to remind us all that this still exists and can be found anywhere, even in the life of a seemingly average married mad with kids.

Frank Bidart

There is no argument that Bidart’s “Herbert White” is, although rather unspeakably disturbing, a masterpiece with regard to storytelling and humanizing what would be the personification of evil.  In this manner, it is definitely possible to say that the poem was a success, especially as Bidart’s attempt to describe the antithesis of himself. This was likely a successful adventure on a personal level, causing Bidart to fully understand himself before he could understand his opposite, but I wonder if it is an equal success in the grander scheme of things. That is, is there purpose in exposing people to something so dark and gruesome? Does the humanizing of Herbert White improve the reader’s capacity for understanding (or improve them in some other respect), or is that effect reserved for Bidart himself?

Question on the Reading: Poetry

The different pieces between the two authors not only show how important word choice is in poetry, but also show how important visual aesthetics are. However, if read aloud, it becomes difficult to truly show the message within the visual aesthetics. WIth that said, which form of poetry should have more influence on the the reader: the written or spoken version?

Ellen West by Frank Bidart

Why did Bidart choose to write this poem from the perspective of a woman?  Anorexia nervosa and bulimia are more common among females; however, many men also suffer from eating disorders.  Did he choose to write the poem from a female point of view out of ignorance of eating disorders among males, or was there another reason for this decision?