Macaulay Honors College Seminar 4 | Professor Robin Rogers

Month: February 2017 (Page 4 of 4)

Video Response – Patriece Ausili

Brandon Stanton says he must “steer the conversation away from pre-constructed answers” while interviewing people, and wants the honest truth, not what the interviewees think the right answer is. How can I point out the honest truth and steer the conversation? I feel I’ll understand once the interviews occur but I’m not exactly 100%. What if I try to steer their answers and it turns out to be a disaster? How do I steer their answers to honest answers with an invisible hand?

During the interview, Stanton wants to understand the person and not to squeeze him/her into a political category. If the class is interviewing people with an issue in mind, we will have policy ideas that they will fit in to. I thought I should ask questions about their lives that don’t pertain to any policy issues I previously had in mind, and maybe I would understand the individual just a bit more. Thoughts anyone?

While I watched the ethnography video, I kept thinking how I have to speak to strangers and how can I make them feel comfortable when I will most definitely not be comfortable. I know the interviewee must be comfortable for reliable data to be told. But what do I do? Fluff up a pillow for them and let them know I’m nervous as well? I understand the video but understanding what to do and actually doing it are completely different. At the end of the video, Colleen Murray suggests to watch other interviewers to see the ethnography process. I probably need a run through of an interview process, for example, to understand what transitions words to use, but not transition words that will make the rapport weaker.

The video also suggested that interviewers can’t just observe what their interviewees are saying, but the interviewers must participate with the interviewees. But if I’m interviewing people about human trafficking or homelessness, I can’t participate as they are forced to work and I can’t sleep with the homeless overnight (I mean I could but not if I just met them). I don’t want to butcher their stories. How do I work my way around that and truly understand my interviewees if I can’t participate?

In Response to Brandon & All Those Other People

Poor Brandon Stanton, he’s an urban internet celebrity. Now he can’t be a proper…are we qualifying him as an ethnographer? He certainly seems to do a lot of what the ethnography video, “Getting People to Talk”, espouses. “I don’t want to be the best at telling a story about humanity, I want to be the best at telling a story about the person who’s right in front of me right now.” This quote from him in the interview seems to best exemplify the kind of response that ethnography wants to elicit at first, before drawing it out to a broader conclusion. While HONY has his commenters to do that, it is up to us as ethnographers to draw conclusions ourselves while still presenting our interviewee’s opinions and stories accurately to the best of our abilities.

When the ethnography video discusses getting over the nervousness of talking to strangers, they alight upon that only for a moment. Indeed, this must be a concern for many in our class. We aren’t all a talkative bunch. All the ethnographers discussing their work appeared to be pretty extroverted people, which isn’t always the case. As for “I’m not selling anything, can you tell me about your jeans?” That certainly comes off as a canvasser or creepy, I’m not surprised people didn’t want to talk to him. I assume for the most part that our Issue of New York post will be about someone specific, that we don’t have to flag down. He treated it almost like speed dating, and I wasn’t sure what the end goal of that experiment was, other than to grab sound bites from people. Our work from what we’ve been told will be a little different.

Another interesting point: ethnography as a philosophical orientation. What on earth was that woman talking about? I understand that she loves her craft, but I far more identified with her acknowledgment that ethnography can be used to gather intel for marketing rather than how it exists as a philosophical orientation. Would love to discuss that more in class. That totally floored me. It actually reminded me of when Isaac was talking about universal truths in class- social science never seemed to me to be very spiritual, but maybe I’m wrong. How does philosophy fit into social science? General question.

A fascinating portion was about exploring people’s space and artifacts. I believe this is the best way to acquire the truth from someone, especially if, as Chris Finlay pointed out, they may not be aware of the whole truth. I never considered the necessity of being with people in their relevant, meaningful spaces. How this will fit into the issues we work with remains to be seen, but I think the use of artifacts can be as vital as they claim. After all, fortunately or no, we are all attached to our things. Material goods often lend insight into a person’s life. I’ve seen that in literature and reality.

I loved the emphasis on getting them to sign the release form. Incredible. As funny as it was, consent is important and I’m glad that they touched upon that.

The surprise portion was interesting too. Hiding one’s surprise will be difficult, but if it will interfere with the person’s storytelling, it must be done. I end with the concept that they did as well: make people sing. When people are at their most comfortable, when a rapport has been built, that is when the good stuff will happen. As for watching other interviewers at work, I’m sure that you (Professor Rogers) have much to offer us in the way of prior experience and maybe some horror stories to share as that poor man Jeremy Alexis with all his nodding!

Video Response, Steven Zaslowsky

The main thing that I took away from watching these videos was how much attention must be placed on making the subject of your interview as comfortable as possible. While that is something that seems obvious to most people, I never realized how many little things can possibly lead to you either offending or scaring the person you are interviewing, as well as many other effects you can have on your subject. In the “Getting People to Talk” video, there were a plethora of things that were pointed out as terrible things to do. Amongst them were reacting strongly to something that was said (like when one of the interviewers was so shocked that the woman he was interviewing was only 24), nodding your head too much/repeating words such as ‘yea’ ‘uh-huh’, in addition to other things that could lead to you subject losing their comfort with you.

In the interview with Brandon Stanton, he mentioned briefly that he never looks to have an agenda and then fit the people he interviews into it. He feels that in order to get the best out of people he has to have one interest only and that is them; meaning, he focus all his attention on the individual and nothing else. This also shows the importance he places on making sure your subject gets the sense you care about them and making sure they are comfortable.

Another thing spoken about in “Getting People to Talk” was how to set up the room (i.e. how many cameras, recorders, people should be there for the interview), who the subject should be allowed to give the interview with, etc. Once again, the main focus is all on doing whatever can be done to ensure that the person sitting across from you, or next to you, doesn’t feel the least bit uneasy.

After completing both videos, I left with more of a sense of just how important it is to do everything in your capabilities to make sure the subject of your interview feels extremely comfortable with you and their surroundings. Just saying one misplaced word, or not saying something when you should, or nodding your head a few times too many, are just some of the things that can turn a potentially golden interview into one in which the person is now not as comfortable and therefore not going to share as much information as they would have.

Video Response- Sarah Ginsberg

In his video interview, Brandon Stanton, creator of Humans of New York, discusses the purpose and method of his project. He talks about the importance of allowing an interviewee to speak directly and openly to an interviewer so that the interviewee does not stage himself for the world but presents his real self. Getting people to talk freely, without their guard up, is difficult. You get more out of an interviewee by not treading on the interviewee’s personal mental space, allowing him to voice honest thoughts. It’s interesting that Mr. Stanton is himself being interviewed by someone who apparently came with pre-formulated questions, and Stanton seems to respond in a way that calls attention to himself and his successful endeavors. He seems to pride himself on his ability to ferret out the real person being interviewed, to get that person to talk openly and unreservedly. Stanton claims to have a certain feel for getting past the unseen masks that people being interviewed put on. It seems to me that interviewing has to be learned by trial and error in order to become proficient in it.

The ITT School of Design Video featuring some of the school’s professors and students engaged in the “art” of ethnographic interviewing also emphasizes the importance of getting to know the person being interviewed. This means getting the person talking in a space he finds comfortable. For example, one person who is interviewed spends his days surrounded by jeans. Interviewing him where he is surrounded by what interests him, will make it easier for the interviewer to bring out his opinions. This is in contrast to the student in the street who has difficulty flagging people down to ask them a couple of questions about jeans. The film also presents the problem of how to listen in such a way to what the interviewee is saying without coming off as a nodding “ yes” person so as to keep the interview going. How can an interviewee feel free to speak his mind without some trepidation or feeling of being monitored? One professor says that the interviewer should try to get the interviewee to sing. This is a good metaphor, in that I think by that she means that the interviewer should have fun with the interviewee and thereby loosen him up. The best of all worlds according to this film is to get the interviewee to forthrightly tell his story.

Ariella Kornreich, Video Response

In Response to the Harvard Political Interview with Brandon Stanton: In Humans of New York, it is very clear that the purpose is to tell the story of the individual in front of the creator, Brandon Stanton. The politics are not as relevant, what is constructed is useless. I knew beforehand that his purpose was to humanize New York, to make it such that the crowds of people we pass every day are not just colorful blurs but individuals just like ourselves with their own truths.  He deals not in larger themes: he deals with the struggle of the person in front of him, and only that point. If it happens to highlight an issue, then it does. But it does not necessarily have to, as such is when one’s brother marches in when someone has a girl over (as referenced in the video).  Such aspects of his approach are important to note.

 

In Response to “Getting People to Talk”: Ethnography as defined by the video, or at least to my understanding, is the acquirement and presentation of knowledge as experienced by those who directly experience it. In order to be ethnography, it must be presented from the perspective of the people being studied. It is helpful in order to understand people better, in the way they live and the way they interpret the world around them, in order to interact with them more meaningfully or market to them better. The value in ethnographic interviews is not all in what they are saying, but also very rooted in what they actually are, and where they are, what their environment can tell the interviewer about them. In contrast, expert interviews put more emphasis on what is said and gaining knowledge that way; the context matters less. For ethnographic interviews, having the right environment, the right tone, and the right engagement with the subject is crucial, as the more comfortable the subject is, the more information, and the more meaningful information, they are likely to divulge. Reactions should be normal and not over-the-top or bored-seeming, again for information distraction reasons. Do not lead the subject, ask very compounded questions, or use patronizing terms like “interesting”, and don’t talk very much.

 

Integration: Both sources emphasize on listening to the person in front of you and trying to get the most out of few sources, rather than the science I am used to—many data points all answering a specific question. To the fine whistle of the data I’m used to collecting from many subjects, a lot of this is more a loud broadband sound from few sources. That’s something I still need to get over.

Although it may not be helpful in solving quantitative problems as say perhaps a survey would, it does seem like an effective way to gather the insight and perspective on issues or simply the way things are we may not necessarily get from people. The second video, the ethnography tutorial, hurt my ability to take it seriously due to the topic it chose to focus on. Jeans? Okay, great. Why should I care about how we market jeans? I wish it had chosen to examine something less trivial-seeming. I suppose that’s our job. The creator of “Humans of New York” won a bit more consideration as he doesn’t seem to be filtering for a specific topic, and will catch whatever is in front of him. That being said, the second video was good for its purpose, making students aware of techniques, problems, and uses for ethnography, even if it didn’t really get me to appreciate it. I might not have to appreciate it much in order to do it.

Adding a Google Doc to the shared drive

Here are some pointers on adding a Google Doc to the shared Google Drive when you need to turn in the draft of your Issues of New York posts.

1. Access the Shared Drive link from the invitation e-mail that I sent to you.

2. When you open the Drive, click on the blue button labeled “NEW”

3. Select “Google Docs” from the list:

4. Select “OK” when you’re prompted about creating a doc in the shared folder:

5. Once you’ve created a doc, copy and paste (or just write) your Issues of New York post(s) into it. Make sure to title the doc with your first name and last initial in the top left-hand corner:

Please note that anything you put in the Google Drive folder will be accessible and editable by your classmates.

Posting to the course site

Here’s a guide on posting to the course site (your Issues of New York posts).

1. Log in to the ePortfolio system here.

2. Once you’ve logged in, hover your mouse over the menu item that says the name of the course page, and then click “Dashboard”:

3. Once you’re on the back end of the site, go to Posts –> Add New:

4.  Important: Don’t forget to select “Issues of New York Profiles” when you’ve finished writing your post! Otherwise, your post won’t show up on the correct page:
A Posts page on the back end of a Word Press site with a red box around the category box

Pro Tip: It’s a good idea to write your post in a Word document and to copy / paste it into the blog, because sometimes WordPress doesn’t save drafts. If you do this, you might have weird formatting issues. To resolve those, do the following, but note that if your post has hyperlinks in it, this will deactivate them:

5. Go to Edit –> Select all

6. Once your text is selected, click the “Clear Formatting” eraser on the text editor menu:
The "Clear Formatting" eraser on the text editor menu has a red box around it and a red arrow pointing to it

7. You’re ready to submit your post! You can push the green “Publish” button on the right-hand side of the page:

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