Response #3 (for 2/22/11)

Oh ToniAnn, how you make me laugh with your outrage towards the Irish and their attitude towards the foreigners. But I do concur- the stance that the Irish had towards the Italians and the Chinese was rather outrageous. As it was depicted in all three chapters of Anbinder, each different group settled in the Five Points (and areas surrounding it) for essentially the same reasons. The Irish came to escape the famine and overall poverty, a situation which worsened due to the potato crop failure. The Italians came because of overpopulation, crop failures, and poverty. The Chinese came after they were pushed out of California, despite the fact that they were acknowledged for having a lot to offer. The stunts pulled by the Irish (sending the Italians to the Transfiguration basement, blaming Chinese opium dens for “ruining” their women) seemed inexcusable to me, considering the fact that they came here for the same reasons that most of the other groups of people did.

Casting the Irish discussion aside, I was amazed to see how reading the chapter(s) of one book made me want to press along further in the other. I read the Foner chapter first, which was clearly a lot more optimistic and “bright-eyed” than what was depicted in Anbinder’s chapter. However, this happy, black-and-white, statistical take on immigration to NYC is understandable; it is only the first chapter after all. The purpose of this first chapter was to to literally describe “Who They Are and Why They Have Come.” The titles of later chapters in that book clearly show that the uglier sides to immigration will be tackled. A book like Anbinder’s immediately delves into the ugliness. There was a stark contrast between the wonderful and modern data in Foner and the truthful, dirty history in Anbinder. In a way that I can’t explain, reading Anbinder actually made me want to go back and continue Foner, so that I could see Foner’s “ugly take” on history.

A common theme tackled in all the chapters of all the books was chain migration. It was a concept that I had never really considered as powerful. However, it made sense. As one Chinese boy recalled, a man from his village returned with wealth that he obtained from “American wizards” (400). Seeing his success, the boy then acquired his dream to obtain wealth from said wizards. Migration causes other foreigners to desire “American wealth.” This chain of migration grows as everyone goes to the city and returns home with some amount of wealth. Honestly, I never imagined that this form of “getting the word out” had such an impact. In fact, I had no idea prior to the reading that chain migration was so popular! I was under the impression that people come here AND STAY here in order to make a better living, and send money back to their family (and bring certain family members over if desired). Even in a modern city of foreigners, I never stopped to think about migration, and its effects.

I hope and predict that as we go further into Foner’s book, some of my questions will be answered. One of the main questions I had is why some wealthy people today would come over to the city; if they were doing so well in their country, why would they want to come here and risk going down the social ladder? I’ve seen it often today among South Asians; men who are doctors back in their country, be in India or Pakistan, travel over here with their families and become mere taxi cab drivers. They had decent lives back in their countries, yet they gave it up to come here and live harder lives. The only reason I’ve ever heard or could think of was that women over here had a better shot at education than back where they came from.

Other than that, I’m hoping that Foner tackles this question, among the many other minor questions that floated around in my mind.

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February 22nd Spark

After doing this week’s readings, I think of how exaggerated Emma Lazarus’ poem “The New Colossus” was for immigrants during the 1800s.  One line that we all probably heard of is the one that is engraved at the bottom of the Statue Liberty; this famous line shows how America is a place that welcomes the “poor” and the “huddled masses yearning to breathe free” ( Foner,9). I think of the different groups of immigrants that came to the United States and I wonder if these group of people were truly able to “breathe free” once the immigrants arrived on American soil. Nancy Foner, explains these groups of immigrants very well; she distinguishes the peopling of New York between the old immigrants, who arrive in crowded ships to Ellis Island, and the new immigrants, who enjoy an airplane flight and arrive from JFK airport.

When I think of the term Old immigrants, I think of certain ethnic groups who struggled for many reasons in order to achieve a better life in America.  Foner describes these groups of immigrants who arrived in Ellis Island as “dirty and bedraggled, after a long ocean journey in steerage” (Foner 10). This era of immigration had people who did whatever they could  to arrive in America because of the tremendous hardship they suffered in their homeland; most were not educated and suffered poor wages back at home that they tried to make a better living for themselves and their family.  There were several different groups that wanted to achieve this goal but the main ones were the Irish, Italians, Germans, and the Chinese.  Each of these groups wanted a new start to their life and they believed that America was the place for them; they were not only yearning to breathe free but they were yearning for a better income, life and opportunity.

What struck me about the Old Immigrant era was how they went through so much just to  experience a new life.  They were willing to take in the horrendous stench of crowded ships in order to one day reach the American soil; in fact some risked their lives and unfortunately died on the journey to the United States. For these groups, it was a journey that was tiring and overwhelming for them but it was all done to achieve their dream.  For example the Irish during the potato blight did not want to live a life any longer where they needed to gnaw off the remaining food on bones . The Italians and Chinese wanted to make a living and income greater than the minimal amount they received in their homeland which is why they turned to the land of the free.

After the struggle these group of immigrants took to reach America, I am sure they had countless joys for finally arriving here. However, what struck me was how they wanted to “breathe free” in America but ironically they were suppressed and exploited by others.  One example is when the Italians took the jobs that the Irish no longer did in New York in which one of these nativists said that they needed someone to do the “dirty work” for them (Anbinder 370). It is so sad to see that these groups were only used to do work that no one else wanted to do. They were manipulated to do these jobs but the immigrants did not mind; they were thankful because these jobs still offered more wages than they could make at home. With these jobs, they could send for the families they were longing to see and finally could see after some time.

I think that the Old Immigrants that arrived in New York City were able to have a better income, but they were still suppressed because they were different. I could not stand reading that natives would say about the Chinese that they have a religion that is good but would not get them further; if the natives had a superior religion, than why do they treat different ethnic groups so terribly. Just because some of them were not educated does not give natives the right to deny them opportunity, citizenship, or put quotas on certain groups. I am so glad that this era of immigration is over and now New Immigrants arrive to JFK with college degrees and more opportunities than others had in the past.

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Spark – February 22

What gives certain people the “right” to discriminate against and suppress other groups of people?  This is the question that was running through my mind the whole time I was reading these chapters.  Each ethnic group mentioned in Anbinder’s book (Irish, Italians, and Chinese) came to America with specific expectations in mind.  They had all heard stories while still in their native countries from others who had gone to America as poor men and returned as wealthy ones.  Reading of the absolutely horrifying conditions in Ireland made me feel very sorry for the Irish, and I was glad upon reading about how many of them escaped to America.  However, I was very upset when I read of the bigoted views of the Irish towards other immigrant groups.  What made it alright for them to pick on the Italians or the Chinese?  Didn’t the Irish understand that the other immigrants were just trying to come to America for a better life?  For similar reasons as they themselves had upon first coming?  The same can be said about all of the immigrants, for each ethnic group, in some way or another, was biased towards immigrants of other races.  One would think that since all of the newcomers were not accustomed to the way of life in America, they would try and stick together as best they could.  In reality, though, each group separated and congregated mainly with others from their same native town or country.

It was interesting to read of how Five Points literally had specific blocks “dedicated” to certain immigrant groups.  How different it was then from now, where I can’t even name all of the different ethnicities of my neighbors!  I cannot say that I don’t enjoy this though.  As Anbinder pointed out, the immigrants back then did not want to completely assimilate into the American culture, but rather brought all of their customs here with them.  For this, I am so grateful!  If the Irish, Chinese, and Italians came here and tried to blend in, leaving behind all of their food, languages, clothing, and customs behind, life would be extremely boring and plain!

Speaking of New York in particular, the number of immigrants that made their home here was, and is, incredible.  My mind could hardly wrap itself around the numbers stated in Foner’s book.  The amount of diversity continues to grow, with people coming from countries I have never even heard of before.  Since I was born in New York and have not done much traveling outside of the country, I find it strange that so many people continue to long to reside here.  Here am I, desperate to see the world and visit other countries, while people from those same countries I want to go to are desperate to leave their native town and come here.  It was easier to grasp this concept when reading of the hardships immigrants faced, but now it is not so simple to digest.  I suppose it is quite phenomenal, that after all these years, America has not lost its appeal.

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Websites We Like

I’ve added a new category, “Websites We Like”.  I encourage you all to post websites you find that are interesting or contain an element you think might be useful for our site on East Harlem.  Just post these to the class blog and categorize them as a ‘website we like’.

Here’s one with demographic information on East Harlem that I thought might be helpful and another site with great data and maps of East Harlem.  Scroll down to the bottom of the page to find the table of contents on this site.

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Response 2/15 – Greg Antonelli

It’s weird trying to think of New York in the colonial era. For our whole lives we’ve known N.Y.C. as an overcrowded metropolis with huge buildings and bustling streets. It’s hard to imagine Manhattan as a small log cabin, farming community run on slave labor. We all know Colonial Americans kept slaves in this time period but just from studying the Civil War and segregation we generally associate slavery with the south. But it does make sense considering the heavy Dutch population in early New York, being that the Dutch were a huge factor in expanding the “triangle trade” that brought a huge amount of slaves here from Africa and the Caribbean. Also I remember learning in High school about how the north was against the consideration of slaves as people because they didn’t want the south to dominate political contests where population was a factor. That only added to this idea of the slave population being inferior to the European colonists.

It’s hard to tell where America would be if it wasn’t for slave labor. Sadly, slave labor has been a huge part of many cultures. Would the Roman Empire or Ancient Egypt have expanded like they did without slaves? It’s impossible to say. In America, slavery was a huge force pushing the early colonial economy along. Therefore it can be said that New York wouldn’t be the same today without slaves because it would not have been able to sustain itself financially. It seems intolerance was not regionally specific. The north could be just as intolerant as the south because the white Europeans held a belief that African American’s were the only ones fit to be slaves. By seeming to be more “lenient”, northern slave owners were not being less cruel, they were just being cruel in a different way. They were made to believe they had it better than other slaves even though they were still viewed as property. Northern slave owners awarded no special opportunities and did their best to squash any attempt at freedom African Americans tried to take. They were hardly different from southern slave owners. It is horrible how colonists treated African Americans, however America only became “The Land of Opportunity”, because those who didn’t have any opportunities were the driving force behind the expansion of the American economy.

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Response #2

Slavery is a sensitive part of American history that will always remain in our minds (hopefully). Similarly to everyone else, I was also pretty surprised at the impact it had made in the north over the years. Slaves were basically responsible for all the labor and “hands-on” work, which factories and big companies would benefit from. It is interesting to see that economics played such a major role in how our nation turned out and even impacts us today in our everyday lives. Like Ashley said, there are many parallels between these two different times in history. However, the major difference between these two era’s is that slavery was the sole driving force for economic prosperity in the colonies at that time. Therefore, New York City is what it is today because of all the slave labor that went on. It is a big misconception to think otherwise although this idea is what we have been taught ever since elementary school.

It was pretty interesting to read about the great diversity that New York City had been flooded with and how they used slavery to benefit themselves. Overtime there were different laws passed to euphemize the treatment that the slaves were actually receiving. As Ashley said, laws became stricter as slaves were finding ways out of this sick system and eventually it became nearly impossible for them to escape.

Our perceptions of other “races” have greatly impacted how we view the world’s different cultures. Living in America we assume our lives are the normal way to live and what we do on a day-to-day basis is right. However we only make up a fraction of the worlds population and we really aren’t the norm. Furthermore, media also affects how we view various cultures and people all across the globe. We tend to think that we are more civilized than most of the world and this is the mentality has led to slavery and the justification commonly proposed.

Like many other people have said, slavery is a part of history that we can’t change now. It would be a whole different world if it never existed. Nevertheless if that change would be for the better or worse, we are not able to tell.

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Response #2

It was really cool to read Binders-Reimer about how New York was very similar back then as it is now-it was diverse, tolerant, and an entrepreneurial moneymaking capitalist center.  Although I vaguely remember learning at some point that New York and the rest of the North had slavery, I didn’t realize to what degree.  I always learned about how bad slavery was in the South and how widespread it was, but for some reason we always glossed over the North’s role in slavery.  (Maybe it is because we live in the North and we’re trying to make ourselves feel/sound better?)  Anyway, it was just a shock to read about how big a role slavery played in the North.

Also, I agree with Rebecca and In The Shadow of Slavery when it said slavery became the basis of the American social system of race and class.  Although everyone talks about America as the “land of opportunity”, not everyone really gets to experience the American dream of rags to riches- most people struggle to survive here, and you see homeless people lying on the streets as you walk by.  Meanwhile, there are rich people spending money on frivolities and not caring or trying to help those less fortunate homeless people find food or shelter, because the American culture is all about competition- winners and losers. Although slavery started out as needing laborers, it became part of the American social hierarchy.  You can’t have superior people without having someone be inferior to them.  The slaves were a necessary part of American social hierarchy because they filled the role of “inferior, poor blacks” so that the “superior, rich whites” could fill theirs.

The idea of race and class was socially constructed, even though back then they lied and told themselves it was biologically constructed in order to justify their actions.  For example, contrary to the white owners who believed that the slaves were too stupid to put up a fight, they actually resisted in a genius way.  In the Shadow of Slavery it says “they demonstrated through labor, resistance to bondage…”  I remember learning that the slaves resisted in secret ways- they pretended to be stupid and did their “tasks” very slowly, or even wrong, and the would purposely leave tools outside over night so they would rust and be ruined.  I think this was a genius plan because this way they mess up their owners’ labor, but at the same time they won’t be caught or punished because it doesn’t look like they did anything on purpose.

I just want to respond to Eden who mentioned that if slavery had been abolished then maybe Native Americans would have been put to work- If I remember correctly, that was actually the original plan to use Native Americans, but since they knew the land better than us they would always sneak away at night and there wasn’t really anything we could do, so then we turned to slavery.

Finally, I want to point out how weird it was to read sentences like “their commercial prospects appeared promising: gold, ivory and slaves…” like its no big deal, like slaves were just pieces of property or goods to be traded.

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Response #2

I found the point made in “The Shadow of Slavery” about Europeans defining Blacks as the only group fit to slavery to be very interesting.  As a kid, I always associated slaves with African Americans.  When I found out that wasn’t always the case, I was, to say the least, surprised.  Turns out that slavery  is a very old concept, and once upon a time, it used to be interracial.  It seems that in the New World, slavery was always restricted to African Americans (and Native Americans).  However, I think that indentured servants also counted as a form of slavery.  I don’t know how significant it is, Binder and Reimer didn’t mention it, so I suppose it didn’t make a huge difference.  I thought about it while reading “In the Shadow of Slavery” because I remember reading somewhere that indentured servants were almost slaves.

Adding on a little post script to what Marinna said about New York not being what it was without slaves: The same argument is made by people who argue that our economy would never be where it was if Industrial Giants hadn’t taken advantage of their workers the way they did.  Similarly, the Wall of China contains the bodies of the workers who died while building it.  So the question is, are people’s lives, freedoms, and happiness a price worth paying for a nation’s, or in this case, a city’s achievements?  I say we ask the people whose lives, freedoms and happiness are in jeopardy.

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Response No. 2

Like everyone else, I too did not realize how vital a role slaves served in the development, emergence, and advancement of New York. I generally learned about their stereotypical purpose in the southern area of the United States in grade school, but never about their presence here in this very state. While reading these articles, I soon realized that I was not as familiar with this topic as I once thought I was.

That being said, I was surprised to learn about the diversity of those held in captivity by the colonists. Not only were slaves imported from Africa, but they also were taken from the Caribbean in order to further increase the area’s work output. The two locations shared a commonality: a distinguishable dark pigment in the skin. Thus, this seemed like a justifiable reason for the colonists to enslave dark-skinned Spaniards as well. These “inferior” people of diverse backgrounds were just as unified as their “superiors”; whites congregated together to show mastery over another race, and blacks assembled in order to rebel (such rebellions exemplified in Foote’s Black and White Manhattan). Over time, this unity ultimately led to interracial marriages and families amongst those in the groups, continuing what the Binder and Reimers article identified as assimilation.

Elaborating on what Marinna stated, slaves served as “natural” resource for the colonies. They helped boost the production and development of the newly inhabited land, but for no personal gain. In earlier times, they would find ways to avoid these unjust consequences by converting to Catholicism; however, as the half-free population of blacks began to increase dramatically, their white masters gained control and further redefined the status of their servants. This intensification continued to escalate during the land’s transformation from New Amsterdam to New York (according to Harris’ In the Shadow of Slavery). Although legally abolished in 1827, we can still see forms of unjust servitude (a more politically correct word than “slavery”, nowadays) in our state. Like Ashley said, New York has not changed much in terms of ethnic variety. However, in addition to that fact, New York – including other former colonies – has also retained a sense of racial dominance in the working class. Many of today’s immigrants come from our international neighbor, Mexico, and will work long hours for little/no wage. Many Americans find it in their own personal interest to take advantage of the “inferior” position of the foreigners for quick economic gains.

Does history repeat itself? I think so.

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