Sewing Women Ch. 1-4

Sewing Women gives readers insight into the garment factories of New York City.  One interesting aspect of these chapters was the display of the progression and inclusion of different immigrant groups working in these factories.  It was also interesting to see the differences between the Chinese garment factories and the Korean garment factories.  The Chinese factories had mainly Chinese immigrants who were legal, but Korean garment factories employed often illegal immigrants from South America.  Also, the Chinese factory workers were unionized, whereas the Korean factory workers were not.  I liked reading the field notes of the descriptions of the Chinese and Korean shop floors because they helped me to picture these two types of garment factories.  The Chinese shop floor was filled with rows of machines and was very cramped.  The building was old and seemed to be too small for all of the workers.  Still, the work was more personalized;  women would bring cushions for their chair and snacks to eat in their small work area.  The Korean factories were more modern with elevators and more space.  It was less crowded, but it was also much less personalized and previously distributed.

Another aspect of these chapters I thought was interesting was the information about transnational families because in a sense they are very common today too.  Transnational families have homes in America and another place and often work in America to pay for their life back home.  Only one or two family members, for example the father, would work in America, and the family would stay back home.  Many of these families did not intend to bring the rest of their families to America.  Today, I know people who are living with similar split family situations.  For example, my friend and her immediate family live in America, but her extended family lives in Israel.  Eventually, she and her family will probably go back to Israel.

Sewing Women – Chapters 1-4 Response

Reading these first four chapters of “Sewing Women” evoked emotions inside of me, just as strong as the connections I immediately made with the stories that were presented.

I, like my classmates, found it very interesting to read about how the way that the Chinese factories were run differed from the way that the Korean factories were run. I was able to sympathize with both their respective choices in who to hire as workers. On the one hand, as in the Chinese-run factories, working in an environment populated entirely by your own race or culture is very comfortable and eases the stress of work life. Everyone knows the same language, can share the same stories, and have similar lifestyles, which all make it easy for each other to not only communicate verbally, but also to communicate in the general sense of understanding each other and each other’s difficulties.

On the other hand, the Korean factories’ decisions to hire Hispanic workers to do the work, rather than people of their own race, also came to me as very sensible and reasonable. This fosters an interaction between people of different cultures, which is always a useful tool, especially in a country in which interactions among ethnic groups is inevitable and unavoidable. In addition, understanding the plights of others also paves way for understanding their culture and recognizing that in the end, they are not all that different from one’s own culture. Likewise, though, the racial difference also makes for a more professional environment, in which personal and individual problems do not interfere with work. The less comfortable you feel in an environment, the more likely that rules will be better enforced. For some reason, I feel that this may be an underlying explanation as to why the Hispanic workers had a higher wage than the Chinese workers.

What I found most interesting, however, was that these traditions seem to still continue even today. Though my own experiences may not be enough to make the following generalizations, I think that the observations unto themselves are enough to prove a point. More often than not, when I go into stores that are run by Chinese owners, the workers are also Chinese. In contrast to this, my cousin currently works part time at a beauty shop, at which all the managers are Korean; however, they do not hire any Korean workers. Moreover, one woman who works with my cousin is in America alone, working to support her family back in her native country, just as the Hispanic workers did. I found these parallels to be very striking and hard to overlook. This goes to show that history does, in fact, repeat itself, just in different forms and shapes.

Overall, however, the workers in both the Chinese factories and Korean factories each came with their own package of hurdles and struggles that they had to face and overcome. The varying work environment did not take away from that experience.

– Nadera Rahman

Sewing Women (1-4)

These chapters were interesting in that they revealed all the different faces of the garment factory. The industry was not a stagnant business dominated by only one group of people. Instead, the industry was dynamic in that a progression of groups became its employees as conditions pushed and pulled new immigrants into the business. First the majority of garment workers were Jewish, then it was the Italians, followed by African Americans, Puerto Ricans, and ultimately the Chinese. This put the garment factory into context with larger migration patterns of the country. This also gave insight as to how succeeding immigrant groups had similar aspirations in the new world when compared to those of the groups before them.

The dynamic nature of the garment industry was also interesting because it fit in with the dynamic nature of New York City. Noted in the chapters were well-known designers who chose to give jobs to garment factories in the city rather than overseas because it was more convenient and much quicker. Therefore it is not too far of a stretch to say that the garment industry contributed to New York’s status as one of the fashion capitals in the world.

Regarding the differences in the Chinese and Korean garment workplace, one thing that I found confusing was how the Koreans were so much more adept in learning Spanish. This most likely contributed to how different the Chinese workplace, which was more relaxed, was when compared to the Korean garment workplace, which was more strict and rigid.

I also found the patterns of migration discussed in the chapters to be very interesting. My family followed more closely with the staged pattern of migration. My parents first immigrated to New York. Then they brought my grandparents from both sides of the family over. My aunt and uncle immigrated here only five years ago when their paperwork was finally processed. A majority of my extended family still lives in China.

-Wendy Li

Chin1-4

After reading the first few chapters of “Sewing Woman”, I gathered a few important key points about the factory workers in New York City. First of all, there seemed to have been a drastic difference between Korean factories and Chinese factories. The Chinese factory owners employed mostly Chinese workers, while Korean factories also employed Mexican workers. The Chinese owned factories also seemed quite laid back, as opposed to the Korean factories, the workers had to follow a much stricter time schedule and rarely had time to interact with one another. However, it is also interesting to see that although the Chinese had a much more friendly and family-like setting, they got paid less than Mexican and Ecuadorian factory workers in the Korean factories. Granted, the Chinese also didn’t have enough time to work because they were taking care of their children, whereas the Mexicans came without children.

Along with racial differences that existed in Korean factories and Chinese factories, genders also added to the vast differences. For example, in Chinese factories, the majority of the work force consisted of women. This job was more strategic for women since it was less strenuous than other jobs available to immigrants during those times.

Question: Why did Mexican/Ecuadorian women/men leave their children behind in order to find work as opposed to the Chinese that took their children with them?

Sacrifice (Chin, Chapter 1-4)

The aspect of this reading that affected me the most was the idea of sacrifice, and the differences in sacrifice that different ethnic groups had to experience in order to try and create better lives for themselves and their children. While there is a certain amount of sacrifice that goes into any large move, the differences are highlighted in the Korean ran versus Chinese ran factory comparison.

Chinese garment factory owners hired mostly Chinese women as employees. The common backgrounds helped foster a relaxed and accepting environment for the workers. These workers, who were not just Chinese women, but Chinese women who were young and/or mothers, could not afford childcare. Therefore, they would bring their children to work and into the accepting environment. So if their families were intact, where is the sacrifice? The sacrifice was in the wages. Minimum wage was justified because the garment factory acted as a childcare facility. Although this short-term sacrifice does not seem like much of an issue, the real problems evolved as a result over time. These children basically grew up learning the ins and outs of a garment factory, and developing connections within them. Although I do not believe it was intentional, many families became confined to the garment factories. It was a comfortable environment, and so instead of moving forward, children of the workers remained stagnant.

Korean garment factory owners hired Hispanics instead of people of their own kind. The sacrifice is not too obvious. The issue was not that the Hispanics could not bring their children to work, but that they left their children behind in their home countries of Mexico and Ecuador in order to earn money to send back home. I worked as a waitress in my local suburban diner before starting school here at Hunter College, and the stories that I heard from my Hispanic coworkers were not identical, but very similar. Many of my coworkers did not have children that they left behind (most were in their low and mid 20s), but rather parents. They were working at the restaurant to save up money to send back to their homelands for their parents use. It was a sacrifice they were willing to make in order to help their mothers and fathers. Luckily, our work environment was accepting because it’s the 21st century, but the Hispanics that left their children to work in garment factories had to deal with a strict and less comfortable environment.

Alexandra Marks

Sewing Women (Ch. 1-4)

It is interesting to see the changes throughout the garment industry as the years go by, laws get passed, and worldwide wars are in affect.  The relationships between the changing times as well as the different laws passed, and the women and men entering and leaving the industry introduces an interesting paradigm.  The reaction of different cultures to different laws allowed for the continuing growth and variety within the garment industry.  Examples of such laws included the outlawing of homeworking, bringing work home to finish instead of doing it in the factory, which was popular among the Jewish, and the start of unionization, not popular among the Italian who were happy being paid less than the minimum set by the unions.

Something that I find interesting throughout this reading, is the fact that all these factory and garment industry workers, are working throughout the United States, and specifically in this study New York City.  This sticks out to me because most of the garment jobs we hear of today are overseas, however with the great number of immigrants throughout New York City and available workers, factory owners did not have to send their designs overseas.  This was especially true for small time designers, for whom oversea shipping and sewing was not worth the inconvenience.

The discussion of the different practices and feelings of the Korean and Chinese factories was eye opening.  In studying Chinatown, it is good to know about the working conditions in these factories.  Knowing how the Chinese factory owners treat their employees as compared to how the Koreans in other parts treat their own separate employees in important information.  The Chinese factory owners develop close relationships between themselves and their workers by the use of a common language and their children.  However these workers are paid piecework rates, and are paid less than Hispanic workers in Korean factories.  The sense of security and closeness developed through the linguistics of the factories is thrown away when the works are not being paid enough.

Chapters 1-4 Response

It was rather interesting to see how culturally different the Korean and Chinese factories were. In the Chinese factories, the atmosphere is more relaxed. The workers talked about their children, discussed various things. They could do their work leisurely or really quickly. They could come in whenever they want; there was no exact starting time when they began work, since they didn’t ned to punch in. Even the manager wasn’t there when they began working in the morning. When compared to the Korean factories, there is a striking difference. There is no common background that links the Koreans to their employees, who were Mexican and Ecuadorian. The only common thing that linked them together was their work ethic. Things were much more stricter and on schedule, rather than the lackadaisical events of the Chinese factories. I think it’s really interesting how the Korean employers even had knowledge of the Spanish language so that there is some sort of communication between the two different ethnic groups. Culturally, it makes sense why the Hispanics, who didn’t bring their children with them when they emigrated, would work with the Koreans whereas the Chinese, who did bring their children with them when they emigrated, would work with the Chinese. The Hispanics didn’t need that flexible schedule like the Chinese did, since there was no responsibility waiting for them at home.

It was also interesting to see how the different gender roles played into the factories as a result of cultural differences. Any type of factory job was an improvement for the Mexicans and Ecuadorians, no matter if they were male or female whereas majority of the Chinese workers in the factories were Chinese women, who made up nearly 97% of the working force. It made sense though, that to Chinese women, the factory job was ideal. It had a flexible schedule, and it wasn’t as physically strenuous as a restaurant job that required strength in carrying around plates, food and whatnot. The women who were telling their stories spoke of how they brought in their kids to work, or could just leave work to pick up their kids, later dropping them off at a relative’s place and then going back to work. At any other job, this kind of flexibility doesn’t work. This reminded me of when my mom used to work in a garment factory in Brooklyn when I was in first or second grade. I remember being with a cat in the factory, entertaining myself whenever my mom had to sew clothes. I don’t remember much, but it was a lively atmosphere. They were always chatting while working. Even to this day, years after my mom quit, my mom’s friends would come up to ask me if I remembered them, explaining to me that they had taken care of me while my mom went to work in the factories.

Sewing Women Chapters 1-4

As Chapter 3 explains, emigration patterns are quite various, differing based on both country of origin and the time period. While the Chinese have had the tendency to immigrate to the United States with plans of remaining here permanently, Hispanics’ initial plan was often to make some money and then go back home. I feel genuine sympathy for the Mexican woman who had to leave her eighteen-month-old child in order to be able to provide her daughter with a better life. I couldn’t stand to read how the mother said that she cried for three months after leaving. It’s very unfortunate that Mexican immigrants can’t bring their families over more easily, as can the Chinese. The 1989 massacre of Tiananmen Square, jointly with the Immigration Act of 1965, allows the Chinese to apply for refuge to come to the U.S. legally. These legal immigrants can then apply to bring their families over.

Unfortunately, the Hispanic don’t have this relative luxury as the tiny immigration quota for their home countries hasn’t allowed for enough legal immigrants to accumulate for a large number of families to be brought over. I understand that increasing quotas would lead to more unwanted competition on the job market and for budget housing, such as that provided by the housing projects in NY. However, I believe that there is likely a way to work something out so that more foreigners could immigrate to the U.S. without leaving members of families who have been here for generations, jobless. Perhaps I am biased because I’m an immigrant myself, but is there really no way to accommodate for more Mexicans and other Hispanics coming to the U.S legally? Many make the trek to come here illegally anyway, occupying jobs that we try to deny them by having a low immigrant quota. So what exactly does the quota actually end up achieving besides allowing employers to pay some Mexican immigrants below minimum wage because they are illegals and won’t be able to complain?

Sewing Women Chapters 1-4

Apart from producing clothing, the garment workers that toiled in Korean and Chinese factories throughout the 20th century had little in common.  Distinct ideologies highlighted a cultural divide in the immigrant experience of the Chinese, Korean, and Hispanic laborers that immigrated to America in hope of securing a job in the garment industry.

1.  In Chinese factories, finding a job as a garment worker was viewed as a “rite of passage” for most young immigrants.  Chinese women, who made up a large percentage of the workforce, often brought their families with them to America.  Their husbands often worked in the restaurant industry.  In addition to producing garments, these women also had to care for their children and run family errands.  Since the Chinese garment factories almost exclusively employed Chinese workers, the owners crafted a production model that reflected the cultural and practical needs of the Chinese women.  The workers were payed for each piece they produced, and were allowed to work at home in order to make extra money.  Their working hours were relatively lenient, allowing them to attend to the various other roles they served in their family unit including wife, mother, and financial provider.  Since they worked in all-Chinese factories, these women had little reason to assimilate to American culture and   many did not have a need to learn English.  Decades later, when the garment industry in Chinatown experienced a rapid economic downturn following 9/11, this approach proved problematic for the garment workers.  They had a limited skill set as they had always worked in one industry, few contacts in other fields, and most could not even speak English.

2.  Th Korean-run factories model of employment could not have been more different. In Korean factories, workers were viewed as part of the assembly line rather than part of the family unit.  Workers were not allowed to take work home, and they were payed hourly wages rather than by the amount of garments they produced.  The Koreans hired workers from a plethora of backgrounds including Mexicans and Ecaudorians.  These immigrants were often illegal male laborers.  Unlike the Chinese workers, they were not members of unions and were payed in cash rather than by check. Finding work was difficult for these immigrants as they lacked the “family connection” that allowed so many Chinese workers to find a job in the garment industry.  They were hired for their skill, not their connections, and were viewed in the workplace as more of a machine than a human being.  Production, not the protection of cultural identity, was the ultimate goal in these factories.

-Victor Rerick

Response to Chin 1-4

1. The stories of women in the book invoked a lot of sympathy in me. The life of immigrant women, especially Hispanic, that had to leave their children so they could come to NYC and work sound really difficult. Kind of strange thinking about how it seems normal today that the economic conditions in a lot of places are so bad that people feel they have no other choice but to move countries and leave everything behind in order to make money. I know a woman who hasn’t seen her daughter in eight years because that mother works here in NY. All the stories like that, with just the separation aspect of immigrant life, make immigration seem impossibly frightening and difficult.

2. I was surprised to hear how women in garment shops described their work as generally less strenuous than other types of jobs, such as waitress, that for some reason seem less strenuous an average person (I would think). Garment factories actually invoke an image of much more difficult work and longer hours than working in a restaurant does. Though I was glad to hear a Latino man  saying how it is easy for undocumented workers to find jobs. I sometimes wonder how does one go about doing that since it may be frightening that you will get reported to the authorities by the people you are asking for a job from, etc. It must be difficult to trust people and yet I’m glad that at least it is possible to change jobs if the pay is not good or the work is too much.

One question I had was how come women were not allowed to take their work home.

“Sewing Women”-Chin Part 1 Response

The introduction to general changes in demographics, historically in the area helped me better understand the scope and significance of the Chinese garment worker to the Chinese immigrant society/neighborhood. As I understand it, both the Korean-owned garment factories and the Chinese-owned garment factories managed to make products and sustain growth within the industry despite the decline in large-scale factory work. The cultural differences inherent in the layout of the factory-floor were particularly interesting to me. The more laid-back and comfortable environment in the Chinese-owned garment factories, as well as the “by piece” payment method appears to have been as profitable historically as the Korean-owned garment factories with their assembly-line method of working on clothes. However the close-knit community and the social interaction found on the Chinese factory floor was not necessarily present on its Korean counterpart. The former appears to be more worker-friendly as well, so what specifically causes these disparities between the two types of garment factories? Also, was unionization really that important to the Chinese women who saw the union as merely a source of insurance benefits? Did a lack of understanding of the purpose of the union prevent the organization from becoming more prominent?

Ashley Haynes: Sewing Women (Chapter 1-4)

-I found the opening quotes to Chapter 3 to be very heartfelt. It was also a great precursor to the chapter at hand. The comparative analysis of the Mexican woman’s experience to that of the Chinese woman when they were able to come to America really provided a good example on how different racial groups migrate.  By showing how much pain the Mexican woman was in when she knew she had to leave her eighteen-month year old baby made me really sympathize even more with Hispanic immigrants. They uproot their lives and also sacrifice precious family time in the aspirations that they will be able to provide a better life for their kids and subsequent generations back home. They literally put their needs behind those of their children. The negative  portrayal the government has regarding Hispanics is the farthest from the truth. When they come to the United States they are not simply trying to get over. They have a purpose to work hard. Likewise, another misconception I feel people have regarding Hispanics is that when they come to the US, documented or undocumented, they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I feel as though if people only look at the history of Hispanic migration patterns such would also be dispelled. Most Hispanics are physically separated from their families. Yes there is technology through which they can communicate with their families, but such still isn’t the same as physically being in the same room.

-Why did most Hispanics leave their children behind in their native country? Did they fear that they would be unable to properly care for them because of the garment factory working hours? Did they fear that their children would lose a sense of their native culture? How were they able to stay away from their families for such prolong periods of time? Did the knowledge that their work at the garment factory was for their children, although far away, keep them going?

 

Comparing Thoughts and Experiences

1. One thing that I found very interesting just in the way that the chapters were organized, at least Chapters 3 and 4, was the two quotes that began the chapters. Laying out the differences between the Hispanic and the Chinese thoughts and experiences spoke volumes to me. As an immigrant and a minority, I do find that hearing other people’s experiences and comparing them to mine is very powerful in how I then think about the person. So, I found the quotes to be a very good way to open up the chapters.

2. In response to these quotes that I found to be powerful, I did have a question. Where these differences in thoughts and experiences consequences of how the immigrants were treated when they were in the process of immigrating and afterwards as well, or were they merely brought about by cultural differences that would have been developed in their homelands? Or is it a combination of the two, or other factors altogether?

Chin Chp 1-4

1. I thought the drastic differences between the Chinese and Korean garment factories very interesting. In class, it was said that the Chinese and Koreans work together while also competing against each other. I never really thought about the competition in the garment factory. I assumed that most of the garment factories were run by the Chinese, but it seems that in fact the Korean factories are run more effectively and organized than the Chinese.

2. I also never thought about the danger of interviewing these immigrants and the difficulties and technicalities that must be met in order for the immigrants rights and privacy to be held. THrough all of these obstacles, to actually connect with these workers and gain the immigrants trust and be invited into their inner circles seems very rewarding.

Emma Park-Hazel

Foner and Chin Readings

Questions and interesting points:

– How does someone know if the person conducting the study (or interviewing) is psychologically appropriate for the task?

– There are non-trivial elements in this training that are more important than one would expect: for example the fact that one needs to make sure the “voluntariness” element is present at all times.

– Does anyone check throughout the research that what was promised is getting done, and that nothing is shady?

How can this help my research:

– I would try to find neighborhoods in which Chinese immigrants aren’t permanent residents and/or are part of older generations (perhaps make comparison with residents and/or younger generations?).

– I’d try to find younger generation individuals willing to introduce us to their elder family members

Sara Camnasio

Sewing Women Chap1-4: Anissa Daimally

Questions
1. Why do Hispanics get paid more than the Chinese garment workers? Shouldn’t the Chinese workers get paid more since their bosses are also Chinese?
2. Why don’t Koreans hire other immigrants? Why do they only hire Hispanic immigrants?

Comments
-I found the differences between the Chinese garment shops and the Korean garment shops to be drastic. These differences are based on many factors, such as the pay system, the ethnicity of the workplace, and the gender roles of the workers. The Chinese garment shops is a bit disorganized with cloth laying on the ground. This is because the workers are getting paid by piece, so there is no work being passed from person to person. Furthermore, since the Chinese garment shops are coethnic, there is more leniency and flexibility. The Chinese workers do not punch the clock upon entering work. They are allowed to leave the workplace to pick up their children and to do their grocery shopping. There is also music being played in the work area as well as food stations for the workers.
The Korean garment shops, however, are more strict with their workers because they are getting paid by the hour. The Hispanics cannot come and go as they please; they have to use the punch clock. In addition, work is passed from person to person, like an assembly line. Thus, the workplace is very organized. Furthermore, there are both men and women working in the garment shop because they do not follow the traditional roles. The Hispanic men do not consider sewing to be a woman’s job.
-I found it interesting that the Hispanic men don’t mind working in the garment workshop, but the Chinese men do mind. The Chinese workers brought their traditional roles with them; the men consider garment work to be “women’s work.” The Hispanic men, however, are just concerned with making money and do not care about ‘gender roles.’
-I found it interesting that the Chinese followed the family emigration pattern and the staged emigration pattern while the Hispanics followed the transnational emigration pattern and the singles emigration pattern. The Chinese want to build a home in the United States while the Hispanics want to return back to their homeland. This is the reason why many Hispanics do not bring their children to the United States.

Sewing the Pieces Together

– I found it interesting that the Hispanic men did not feel as if working in the garment shops was a woman’s job.  This opinion stands in direct contrast to that of the Chinese men who prefer jobs in restaurants; these men dismiss the garment sector as work for women, and thus do not wish to take up jobs in the garment shops.  They view the work they do in the restaurants, which requires manual labor, as more in line with their masculinity.  This is interesting to note, as the women who work in the shops also testify to the less strenuous nature of work in the garment industry.  These perspectives reveal the two-sided nature of the Chinese men’s sentiments, as these feelings that are harbored by the men are reinforced by the women.  Perhaps these sentiments testify to deeply rooted cultural views that shaped these notions in the first place.

– The contrast in migration patterns between the Chinese and the Koreans further sheds light upon the cultural differences between these immigrant groups.  Whereas the Chinese generally migrate as a family unit, the Hispanics more often maintain transnational families; that is, the Hispanics do not generally migrate with their children.  This decision is most likely due to the fact that the Hispanics intend to return to their native countries after a certain time period.  These migrants use the money that they earn in the United States to establish a better life for themselves back home.

– I found the field notes included in Sewing Women extremely helpful, as they set the scene for me as the reader.  These notes gave the statistics previously mentioned in the beginning chapters a qualitative value, as I was then able to visualize the areas in question.

– How do the contrasts in migration patterns among the Chinese and Hispanic garment workers reveal cultural differences between the two groups?