Foner Chp 5

This chapter talks about the racism experienced by immigrants, even Asians who  are now seen as the model immigrant group have had a had time assimilating to American culture. This is interesting because even Asian Americans who were born in America are still not always seen as Americans. In my sociology class we talked about the racial triangulation between whites, black, and asians. According to the article,”The Racial Triangulation of Asian Americans” white Americans are still seen as the “superior” group, then asians and then blacks. This is because of the reputation asians have created for themselves. They hold the stereotype of being hard working, studious, and diligent. This is an advantage that this group was able to create for themselves, however according to the article, asians are still considered foreigners. The author goes on to say that asians have been racially positioned with reference to blacks and whites with no seeming possibility of significant mobility.

What I found interesting about this chapter is there always seems to be a scapegoat within the immigrants. First it was the Jews and Italians, but once immigrants of different races and colors began immigrating to the United States, the Jews and Italians were considered “white”, and people created a new scapegoat. Today, it is particularly people from the West Indies, especially, that are seen as the new scapegoat.

From Ellis Island to JFK – Chapter 3 & 4

In Chapter 3, Foner mentions how ethnic niches are created and that immigrants tend to go after jobs that are spread by word of mouth. This concept came up in other readings as well. This is still true to this day; in a tutoring place I work at, my employer sends out e-mails asking if any of our friends wanted/needed a job and would be willing to work. Like the garment factories, this tutoring place is flexible with scheduling, which is something more desirable than a job elsewhere where there are set hours.

It’s interesting to see how Chinese restaurants actually became part of the Jewish culture in New York City. Even though they might not be able to communicate by the same language, food can still bring people of different ethnicities together. It is definitely more apparent in today’s culture with Chinese take-out restaurants every couple of blocks in some parts of Manhattan.

In Chapter 4, Foner discusses immigrant women and their work. It’s interesting to see that the Jewish daughters were the ones who contributed the most to the income because the father’s job could be unstable and whatnot. It reminded me of the economy today. My friend’s mom recently lost her job so my friend decided to work part-time. She told me that she had been getting more interviews than her mom. If my friend did get the job, then she would be contributing more than her mom.

Foner – From Ellis Island to JFK (Chapters 6+7)

Chapter 6 of From Ellis Island to JFK focuses on how immigrants lead transnational lives. When on emigrates from his home country and comes to the United States, or any other nation for that matter, there is family left in the country of origin, in the majority of cases. Back in the day, sustaining these ties, as well as keeping up with cultural changes and the news of one’s home country was difficult. Communication was limited to what we have come to call “snail mail”, and not without reason. It would take two weeks for a letter from the U.S. to reach a country on the other side of the world, in some cases longer. Can you imagine how excruciating the wait must have been? Technology has changed all that, as Foner explains, providing many means of rapid, near-instant communication, and all but enabling one to be in two places at once. The options for quick communication are virtually endless: Skype, instant messaging, Facebook, telephone calls, and the list goes on and on and on.

Chapter 7 really goes into the schooling of immigrant children. As is illustrated by the sad story of Celia’s family, many immigrant families had to pull at least some of their kids out of school, to have them work. Generally, the salaries that the parents in the families received didn’t bring in enough money for them to be able to get by, let alone live comfortably. Children had to work from an early age, as we saw in the LES Tenement Museum, where the daughters in the family were working in their early teenage years. Our tour guide told us that some children immigrated here at age 12 and got jobs right away, as that was the minimum age requirement for them to be allowed to have jobs, and they had to help support their families. Those who were lucky enough to be able to go to school were heavily pressed to “Americanize”. Immigrant children were actually watched, yes, watched during school hours as a means of making sure that they wouldn’t do or say anything that is of their native culture or in their native language, respectively. That is absolutely horrific and I’m endlessly thankful that cultural and racial diversity is supported by so many schools and schooling systems across the nation.

Were all of the sacrifices made prior to immigration to the United States and in the first years here worth it for the majority of immigrant families? That is, would a significant number of these families have been better served by remaining in their native countries?

Foner – From Ellis Island to JFK (Chapter 5)

I find it to be truly remarkable that the views of society can be so powerful in constructing so much of what we see in our lives on a daily basis. Racism stands out as being very artificial. Throughout history, many members of American society have put much effort into forming the belief that the lighter one’s skin, the better. This has even gone as far as racism being biologically justified, such reasoning having no merit of course. In fact, what more is race than yet another social construction? Foner highlights the fact that race is also socially constructed.

Racial classifications tend to be quite broad, white, black, Asian, etc. However, it appears that in some cases becoming part of a broader classification is desirable. In the past Jews and Italians, especially those who came in the first large wave of immigrants and prior, were each discriminated for specific reasons. However, Jews and Italians have worked their ways into the “white” classification, which tends to face the least racial discrimination in society.

Previously, it was believed that Asians and blacks and other non-whites shouldn’t come to the U.S. because they would taint American society with certain aspects of their culture and behavior. The language barrier was also used as a justification for such racism. However, what truly stands out to me as being disgusting is that many of the members of these heavily oppressed groups were racist, as well. Do unto others as you would have them do to you. Why would members of groups that have faced much racism over the years stoop to mistreating members of other races in the same ways? Is the seemingly lower level of racism in the U.S. today versus prior truly an indication that views, and people, have changed, or is it just coincidental with the decreased rate of immigration? Perhaps time will show what the answers to these questions are, and hopefully time will also bring us a world in which racism no longer exists. Nancy Foner certainly provides enough reasoning to indicate how silly racism really is.

Foner Chap 7: Going to School

I was saddened to learn that many immigrant children of the past had to drop out of school in order to help contribute to the family’s income. They had no choice: ‘‘But you don’t understand….Every little money that comes into the household counts. Celia must go working. We know it’s hard, but what can we do? There are three more [children] that must go through public school, no? Three more need shoes and shirts and dresses and food. There isn’t enough. My husband makes but very little. He is no more a young one. Wouldn’t we let Celia go if we could? Of course! Don’t talk foolish!” (192). This story broke my heart because the family was desperate and were forced to pull their child out of school in order to survive in the country.

It is terrible that the schools in the past wanted to suppress the immigrants native culture. They wanted them to become fully Americanized. District Superintendent Julia Richman “assigned teachers to patrol lunchrooms, restrooms, and school yards and told them to give demerits when the hated ‘jargon’ was heard; she encouraged teachers to wash out with soap the mouths of those who relapsed” (Foner 207). I think this was way too harsh and was promoting the idea that the American culture is superior above all others. I am glad that in today’s society, multicultural differences are praised. In fact, back in my high school, we had Multicultural day every year. During this day, everyone dressed up in their cultural clothes and brought in foods from their home country.

I found the quote, “Immigrant parents are typically more effective in keeping daughters away from the temptations of American youth culture and the ethos of the street because they subject the young women to greater controls and keep them more tied to the home than sons” (Foner 213) to be particularly interesting. I don’t believe that this quote is true for many cases. I know of many girls who rebel because of the excessive control of their parents. They usually indulge in the so called “American youth culture” and go clubbing, drinking and smoking there, without their parents having a clue about what is going on in their daughter’s lives.

-Anissa Daimally

Foner Chapter 6: Transnational ties

In this chapter, Foner focuses on the transnational ties that past immigrants held and contemporary immigrants continue to hold today. Linda Basch defines transnationalism as the “processes by which immigrants ‘forge and sustain multi-standard social relations that link together their societies of origin and settlement” (Foner 169). Immigrants maintain the familial, economic, cultural and political connections with their home country.

I found it interesting that thousands of Dominicans actually flew back to their home country to vote in a presidential election. Furthermore, I was intrigued that those who actually lived in the United States could still run for office in the Dominican Republic. It is very thoughtful and heartwarming for the Dominican Republic government to say that it was okay if the Dominicans had to become citizens and that the country will still welcome them with open arms.

Technology has also made transnational connections easier for contemporary immigrants. For example, my family travels back to Guyana every couple of years to visit our family that still live there. Because of the inexpensive air fare, we are able to do this frequently. Furthermore, because of technology, we can easily find out what is going on with our family on a daily basis through telephones and Facebook. My family also keeps up with Guyana’s politics. My uncle always looks online at Guyanese news sites to keep up with what is going on in the country. He also buys newspapers that relate the Guyanese news.

-Anissa Daimally

 

Chapter 7: Coming to School

– It was so hard to read that so many Jewish students would start school and not finish. Although I knew that these students needed to get a job in order to contribute to the family income, I still couldn’t accept such as a justifiable reason. I know that income at the turn of the last century wasn’t easy to come by, but did one less income of a child in school cause the entire family to be in such dire economic needs. I believe in the long run it would have been more beneficial for Jewish children and immigrants at the time to finish school. Were people unable to rationalize the fact that by finishing school one would have a higher earning potential.

-Did people at the time only think about the here and now rather than the distant future?

-When one considers programs such as the state’s Educational Opportunity Program, there is no reason why disadvantaged students and those from immigrant household should be unable to attend college. The state college system is very conducive to accommodating to low-income families and those individuals who may not have had the best grades due to their socioeconomic standing. The only people who should be facing a problem are those individuals that are undocumented. As an undocumented individual, one can’t apply for financial aid or to college as a social security number is needed.

-Ashley Haynes 

Chapter 6:Transnational Ties

-When one considers that most immigrants come here to send funds home and eventually return to their native land, it is beyond my understanding how most immigrants are now only known for trying to get over, especially in the case of illegal immigrants. In the case of the undocumented they are more than willing to pay their dues to society through taxes, it is only a matter of not being able to since they are not suppose to be here. I believe more people should be reminded of the fact that immigrants are in reality no different from native-born Americans. Both groups of people work equally as hard. Immigrants provide for their families and try to better their standing in society just as native-born Americans. The only difference is that immigrants usually send their funds back home while native-born Americans try to improve their lives here.

-It is truly unbelievable how long it used to take for letters or immigrants to travel back home. However, I guess that such a reality makes it even more amazing how technology has improved transnational communications. Technology, as the book points out has “increased the density, multiplicity, and the importance of transnational interconnections and made it possible for the first time for immigrants to operate more or less simultaneously in a variety of places.” It no longer takes two weeks for communication between immigrants in the US to reach back home through letters. People can now use telephones and services such as Skype and oovoo to not only communicate but to see each other as well. Likewise, people can simply hop on a plane to check up on family and establishments they may have set up in their native land.

-Ashley Haynes

Chapters 6 and 7

In Chapter 6, “Transnational Ties,” Foner discusses what leading a transnational life means. This is obviously important because most people who move to another country, don’t instantaneously lose contact with those they left behind. Today it’s obviously a much easier to hold onto those that don’t move with you, as there is modern technology that keeps you up to date almost instantly. As we saw in the movie we watched in class, though, in the past it wasn’t so easy. If one didn’t know how to write, you had to hire someone to transcribe a letter for you, and it could take a very long time to get that letter where you wanted it to go and then to get a reply.

In Chapter 7, “Going to School,” Foner discusses culture and race as factors that play into educational success. Obviously, there are stereotypes about this that play into how people perceive one’s educational success based on that person’s culture and race. However, I think what’s more interesting is her discussion of how most immigrant parents that come to New York, now, come with positive attitudes towards education in the US and their expectations for their children’s educational success in the US. I think this makes sense because people do see the US as being such a superpower, but what’s interesting is that statistics do not have the US leading in education – worldwide.

Chapters 3 and 4

In Chapter 3, “The Work They Do,” Foner focuses on immigrants as a whole in the workplace. In Chapter 4, “Immigrant Women and Work,” Foner focuses on immigrant women in the workplace. Both chapters focus on the workplace and how it has changed for immigrants. In Chapter 3 she talks about the differences in types of work that immigrants do, due to the changes in the types of immigrants (those with more educational background than before) that come into the United States. In Chapter 4 she talks about the differences in who is working – older women enter the workforce later, after having children, and stay in the workplace, rather than staying at home and sending young daughters to work. I found this interesting because when we went to the LES Tenement Museum, we discussed the daughters of the families going to work and how their parents would blame them if they were fired even though the conditions for firing were so strange.

Chapter 5

In Chapter 5, “The Sting of Prejudice,” begins by discussing the differences in the ethnicities of immigrants as well as those already living in New York City. Earlier on, those immigrating to the United States were mostly white, but later on different ethnicities started to come into the US and they found more and more diversity in NYC when they did arrive. The main discussion of Chapter 5, though, is the actual idea of what race is, and what comes from that (racism). In the earlier days, Jews and Italians found heavy prejudice against them, even though nowadays they are mostly seen as fitting into the “white” category. Foner writes, “Racial differences may seem permanent and immutable – as if they are inevitable and “natural” – but, in fact, race is a changeable perception” (142).

Foner – Chapter 7

Foner explores the educational patterns of early Jewish immigrants.  I find it completely understandable that few of these children of immigrant studied past eighth grade. Children’s contributions to income much more important in these circumstances, as they were needed for labor services and could work with an eighth grade diploma.

I was interested to find that native born minority students are often worse students than immigrant children.  I find this point intuitive, as the public school system offers a variety of programs to help them.  Furthermore, Foner draws attention to the fact that, if these students do well in school, it is their track to assimilating into the majority or minority middle class.

I found it particularly interesting that Foner considers culture and race as a factor that plays a role in educational success.  She cites the example of Chinese and Korean parents who value their children’s success in school as a way to measure their family’s respectability.  Educational success is also important to South Asian parents as well, and these parents tend to reiterate the “Asians-are-good-math” stereotype.  Below are some “desi” (of or pertaining to the subcontinent) rage comics that identify the importance of educational success to which  South Asian immigrant children are subjected by their parents.

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The first image draws attention to the pressure from parents to do well in school and receive high grades.  The second image, however, is perhaps more interesting.  It draws attention to the effect of parents’ attitudes on these children.  The comic, albeit an exaggeration, sheds light upon the way in which South Asian children themselves adopt the educational standards of their parents.

Foner – Chapter 6

I was shocked to learn about the attempts in NYC public schools to suppress expressions of culture or ethnicity.  These attempts were implemented to foresee the ultimate goal of Americanizing the children of immigrants. This truth because awareness and acceptance of cultural diversity is now encouraged and emphasized in schools, as evidenced by the pluralism and diversity component necessary to fulfill Hunter’s general education requirements.

Foner discusses the concept of leading a transnational life, an inevitable point considering the fact that one does not instantaneously lose his or her ethnic and cultural identity in a new locale.  Indeed ,an individual retains ties to the people, values, and language around which he or she grew up.  In the past, immigrants remained transnational by physically living in both countries – travelling back and forth – as was the case for Italian immigrants at the turn of the century.  Today, immigrants retain transnational links as a result of increased technological advances.  I use Skype, phone, (and sometimes the post!) to send and receive information and gifts, respectively, from relatives from abroad.

Further, Foner cites in the example of American Indians who watch “full-length videos of weddings” (178); I have done this many times before, and this is the way in which I have become familiar with a large majority of cousins that I have never even met before!  Foner further sheds light upon the fact that many Indians frequently visit – I can attest to this fact, as it is currently summer vacation in India and am thus in the midst of receiving relatives at the airport every weekend.

What are the legal policies that come into play when foreign candidates for office campaign to dual citizens in the United States?

 

Foner Chapter 5

In Chapter 5:  The Sting of Prejudice, Foner explores racism towards immigrants.  One of Foner’s points in this chapter is that West Indian immigrants are often considered black although they strongly prefer not to be.  Foner says that West Indian refers to people of African descent from the English-speaking Caribbean.  To most New Yorkers, people who are West Indian are not seen as such, but they are simply lumped together with American blacks.  This can be seen in our own lives.  If you see someone from West Indian descent on the streets of New York you most likely won’t stop and think about where they came from or what specific nationality they are.  One of the things that stuck out to me was when Foner mentions a West Indian social worker who was not offered a magazine on a plane because he was the only black person.  Despite their nationality, education, age, or occupation, people who are deemed black often face injustice.

Another interesting point Foner made was the fact that in the time of the last great immigration wave, it was not clear what ethnic group Italians and Jews should be placed in.  This was fascinating because today these groups of people are largely considered white.  In the past, these people were considered part of “inferior mongrel races.”  It had been said that they would diminish the beauty and intelligence of the American people thus ruining the Anglo-Saxon image.  Foner says that Italians were often the subjects of name calling.  One of these was the term, guinea, which referred to African slaves.  I found this particularly interesting because I remember my grandpa saying how much he disliked that word, and whenever it was used he would disapprove.  My grandpa was born in New York, but he is from Italian descent, more specifically from Messina, Sicily.

Foner Chapter 4

In Chapter four, Foner focuses more on immigrant women’s place in the workforce.  One of the things that stuck out to me was the fact that despite the improvements in the lives of immigrant working women there are still many inequalities.  It is great that now more and more immigrant women have more education and training that those of the past.  Now, there are more opportunities for women in education and employment, and they are more able to manage on their own.  This is inspiring because immigrant women and their daughters can now aspire to higher careers.  Unfortunately, there is still gender inequality in the United States.  Many women still work in very low-status jobs or receive less pay than men.  Women are also dealing with more household duties than the men in their families.

Another aspect I found interesting was the fact that immigrant daughters were expected to go out and earn a living in often debilitating factory conditions.  Although it may have expanded their horizons, Foner points out that wages were low and their work was often dangerous.  One particular aspect of working daughters that stuck out was the fact that their pay contributed largely to the family’s income.  Foner states that Jewish daughters brought in about 40 percent of the household income, while Italian daughters brought in a bit less.  This goes along with the fact that many of them gave all of their pay to their parents.  Some immigrant daughters had to work to pay off their brothers’ education.  Reading what some of these daughters went through makes me even more appreciative of my opportunities in education in this time period.

Foner Chapter 3

In Chapter 3, Nancy Foner focuses on the work of immigrants.  She also compares the work of recent immigrants to past immigrants.  One of the interesting comparisons Foner makes is that no matter the time period, immigrants often come here for betterment of their families.  This often means taking whatever jobs they can find despite the wages.  In the past and today, jobs that immigrants find here often pay more than what their jobs did at home making this new work more appealing.  Even if the wages are actually not very good, they seem good at least at first compared to the money received at home.  Many immigrants earn money and send it back home.  They plan on returning back home eventually with the money they’ve earned so that their families are more well off.

Another topic Foner brings up is “niche development.”  People create their networks of people they know and use these links to find jobs.  Immigrants find jobs through their friends and family living in America.  This benefits employers and job seekers because people are being referred to employers and immigrants are finding jobs more easily.  As this process continues, one ethnic group tends to become associated with a certain occupation, like Chinese people working in garment factories.  We also see this today in the medical field where there are many Filipino women becoming nurses.  I see this in my own life where my friend’s mother is a Filipino women who not only is a nurse but a nursing teacher as well.

Chapter 5:The Sting of Prejudice

– “ It is unthinkable that so many persons with crooked faces, coarse mouths, bad noses, heavy jaws, and low foreheads can mingle their heredity with ours without making personal beauty yet more rare among us than it actually is.”

When I read the above sentiment, I was flabbergasted. I found it to be very deplorable how someone could claim that non native-born Americans could somehow cause an impurity and tainted state to the native gene pool. If one only takes into account Science such a claim holds no weight. Externally one person obviously differs from the next. However, in terms an individual’s internal makeup everything is the same with the exception of DNA.

-It was also bvery interesting and surprising to read that even Jacob Riis, a social reformer, used racial stereotypes in his classic expose “How the Other Half Lives.” I believe that although one may not intentionally seek to rely on stereotypes, it is apart of a human innate being. Stereotypes are usually a pre-known generalization that one relies upon like clichés. However, such doesn’t justify there negative connotation.

-“In 1990, a quarter of the Dominicans in NYC, compared to 13 percent of the Cubans and 3 percent of Columbians, described themselves on the census as black.”

When I read the passage above, I was reminded of Foner’s How Exceptional is New York article. In the article, I didn’t know how the census was able to report that Cubans who are phenotypically white or light skinned in the Miami metropolitan area identified as white on their census forms. Likewise, in Foner’s book I still don’t know how the people who are affiliated with the census are able to know that most Dominicans identified as blak while others did not. ? Do they send out workers to estimate the validity of these forms? Do people check more than one book on their census forms?

-“There has been a gradual racialization of Hispanics—-a belief that physical characteristics, particularly skin color, are involved.”

When I came across the previously quoted line in the reading, I was reminded of the Arizona Law passed to combat the problem of illegal immigration. In Arizona most Hispanics are automatically stigmatized as “illegal imposters” in this country. After a two struggle, the Arizona law enforcing agencies now require officers to check the immigration status of anyone they suspect is in the country illegally. Wearing the wrong clothes, speaking with the wrong accent or having the wrong skin color could land you in hot water in Arizona. However, I believe there is a better way to combat the issue of illegal immigration because assuming that all or most Hispanics are undocumented is pure discrimination.

-Ashley Haynes

Foner – From Ellis Island to JFK (Chapters 3+4)

In chapter 3 of Nancy Foner’s From Ellis Island to JFK the focus is the employment of immigrants, both old and new. Once again, we see how important networks are for immigrants being able to find jobs. Just as we saw in Sewing Women, workers were often recommended by family members or friends. Employers were more than happy to offer these immigrants jobs for they knew that these workers would work hard, so as not to discredit their sponsors. These workers didn’t complain, so oppressing them wasn’t any sort of risk. Additionally, certain industries were dominated by one or another race, which made getting a job in that industry difficult for a member of a different race. This was the case in garment factories described in Sewing Women, where only Chinese women were hired. Today, such exclusivity is rare, and both neighborhoods and job industries are becoming more and more diverse.

The jobs that immigrants were able to find upon their arrival were blue collar jobs that didn’t require much knowledge of the English language or an education. Foreign degrees and certifications were not considered valid proof of one’s eligibility to be the doctor or lawyer one was educated to be. Even today, immigrants who used to be white collar workers who had relatively prestigious jobs in their home countries can’t work in the fields in which they have educations because they have foreign degrees. Jobs in blue collar jobs are less strict about foreign degrees, but it is still very tough to get a job in the correct field from the get-go. Immigrants who are skilled and “specialized” end up working right beside the unskilled who may not even be literate in their native languages, let alone English. When will there be a push for more equal opportunity (pardon the cliché) for immigrants, especially in a big city like New York.

Chapter 4 went on to talk about the lives of immigrant women specifically. Until quite recently (four or five decades), women were not at all considered to be men’s equals. They weren’t expected to work, and were even disallowed from doing so. The only occupation that a woman was to have was being a housewife. The census data that we saw at the LES Tenement Museum was proof of this, as the wives in the families didn’t have jobs listed. What I find to be interesting is that children were allowed to work from the age of twelve, regardless of gender, but upon getting married, a woman was to stay at home. The man in the family was not to feel inferior to his woman. No, no, no.  If a woman did happy to work, under no circumstances was her income to exceed that of her husband.

Nowadays much is different, as women and men have equal employment opportunities and gender is disregarded by hirers and spouses. Women often carry more than half of the load that Foner mentions, because many continue to wash the dishes, do the laundry, clean the home, and do other things around the house. However, now, additionally, they work full-time jobs, some more physically taxing than those held by males. Even so, women are still viewed as unfit for certain jobs by a number of employers worldwide, although this isn’t expressed openly as it was prior.

Foner – From Ellis Island to JFK (Chapter 2)

In chapter two of From Ellis Island to JFK, Nancy Foner sets down certain distinctions between the new wave immigrants, and those of the first wave. The living conditions were much worse for immigrants who came before the 20th century, than they are for those who come today and who came in the 1900s. First wave immigrants tried to live in Manhattan, where most of the jobs were, as the subway system didn’t exist until the early 1900s and it took a while for it to become efficient. Neighborhoods were racially homogenous, and a Jewish person straying into an Italian neighborhood could have turned into a very ugly situation. Today, many such ethnic neighborhoods still exist, many more than Foner acknowledges. However, in general, today’s New York City neighborhoods are far more diverse than ever prior, and the homogenous ghettos of the past are all but gone. The heavily ethnic neighborhoods today are often dominated by a couple of races, not just one, and there is constant change in the demographics of every neighborhood, as Joe Salvo clearly proved to us in his talk back in January.

The tenements that immigrants inhabited were described as being unfit to support satisfactory living conditions. Our tour of the LES Tenement Museum is clear proof of this. There was no electricity, no plumbing, and very little space. Bathrooms and water pumps were outside, and they were shared by many people. Moving out of the tenements and into another borough was unthinkable, as the commute to work would be all but impossible. Hence, immigrant families had to live with what they had, and hope for better times. These “better times” did come, for 1920s families had electricity, running water, and bathrooms indoors. Unfortunately, the tenements were still very crowded and they were shut down, only to be replaced by the projects, which are infamous today for being the worst neighborhoods of New York City.

What is truly amazing is Foner’s claim that some immigrant families live in worse conditions today than did first wave immigrants who lived in the early tenements. How can it be so that in such a technologically advanced era, life in a city as huge and as well-known as New York can be so tough? Foner explains that nowadays, many immigrants lead lower middle class to middle class lives right off the bat, so why can’t this be universal. Are we truly incapable of providing satisfactory conditions for all immigrants in NYC, or are we simply not willing enough, or even unwilling to help them?

Foner – From Ellis Island to JFK (Chapter 1)

In chapter one of From Ellis Island to JFK, Nancy Foner goes into a general description of the members of second of the two large waves of immigrants into the U.S., how they came, who they were, etc. The second wave, which is obviously the more recent of the two, was very diverse, with people coming from all over the world. In contrast, in the first wave, most of the immigrants came from Europe. It was not at all surprising for me to read that those who held high positions and had relatively high-paying jobs in their home countries couldn’t get the same jobs here. Degrees received in other countries were never accepted as valid proof of one’s eligibility to hold one or another position. Even today, this is firmly so. I found it to be rather unfortunate that the immigrants had to work their way up the metaphorical social ladder again, once they got here, especially considering how tough their journeys were. However, it appears that some of these “better” jobs in immigrants’ home countries paid less than did the blue collar jobs they got in the U.S., as Foner illustrates by means of the example of the babysitter from Brazil. The ships were infested with various critters, not at all clean, and densely packed. It’s truly amazing to me that so many people were able to pass the medical exams on Ellis Island having gone through two weeks of living in such unhygienic conditions. The immigrants were willing to endure these hardships in hope of having better opportunity in the U.S. and/or escaping religious or racial oppression, common reasons for the decision to emigrate from one’s home country. On this point, I was pleased that Foner pointed out that these reasons for immigration are extremely oversimplified. She explained that a number of varying factors contributes to the making of the final decision, and all but claims the aforementioned reasons to be incorrect deductions. These were the conditions that LEGAL immigrants had to bear. ILLEGAL immigrants have a much tougher time getting here, because they have to cross the border without being discovered, and finding work that pays at least somewhat well can be very difficult, especially as the number of illegals accumulates.

Foner: From Ellis Island to JFK Chp 4

This chapter focuses on the roles of immigrant women in America both then and now. According to Foner, Jewish and Italian women in the 1900s were expected to simply follow men. They were expected to stay at home and raise the children. Luckily, today more immigrant families are adapting to America’s standards of equal gender responsibility within a family. Also for immigrant girls today it is more common to get an education whereas in the1900s, immigrant girls were forced to work in factories whereas the boys were encouraged to get an education.

What also fascinated me about this chapter was the prevalence of the man’s ego in the women’s decision to work. While some immigrant families have moved away from a male dominated family when coming to America, there are still continued traditional gender roles to uphold he man’s pride. For example, some women take lower  pay so that their husbands wouldn’t feel that they lost their superiority or masculinity to “bring home the bacon.” Men are also the ones who are more likely today to cling to these traditions despite the image of the modern women in America, pressuring their wives to stay home. This is where I believe it is important for these immigrant families to adapt American practice. Immigrant men need to understand that the American women is powerful, and capable of having a job and taking care of children.  Men also are expected to take household responsibilities. It is an equal partnership which many immigrant families should and will eventually have to adapt to.

Foner: Ch. 4

I was very surprised while reading this chapter.  I have heard of many of these facts and figures before, but reading them all within this chapter really changed my view of the immigration into the United States and especially New York City.  The idea that girls were forced into working for their families while their brothers were able to get an education and ‘roam the streets’ is one hundred percent unfair.  Gender inequality is something I think should be mended and changed all throughout the world.  Women and men are meant to be equals, they may be built differently, however women have the same intellectual abilities as men that should not have kept the in factories and helping caring for the children at home instead of getting an education.  The girls in these families would sit in a factory, hours on end and come home and hand their paycheck directly to their mothers, in order to help support the family.  What really surprised me was in the case of one of the girls, where she was the main financial supporter of the family, because her mother stayed home to care for the younger children and her father worked irregularly.  Girls worked hard in coming to this country, and were not treated fairly, as seen with tragedies such as the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire.

Women were not even treated fairly at home, when they had to stay as their brothers went to school.  The anecdotes of the some immigrant women throughout the reading was shocking as well.  The fact that women took lower pay so that their husbands would not have a low ego and lose his superiority complex enrages me.  ‘If I went to Korea, he would starve to death,’ clearly shows how is stronger in the marriage, yet women had, and in most cases, still have less power than men.

Foner Reading: Ch. 5

It is unfortunately seen that throughout history and even today in the United States and throughout the world, there is still prejudice and discrimination against different racial and ethnic groups for one reason or another.  Even in one of the most diverse places in our country has faced harsh diversity in its history as an immigrant city, New York City.  From once believing that people of Jewish and European origins were not considered white it is hard to imagine that different discriminations still occur today.  Today there are more blacks and West Indians who are discriminated against and stereotyped, simply because of the color of their skin.  In this chapter Foner brought up different examples of black teenagers have been followed while in stores as managers and workers were checking to make sure they were not stealing, other innocent bystanders who clutch their bags and wallets when an equally innocent black teenager, male in particular, walks by.  In my own personal experience I have talked to students and peers who have had similar situations happen to them, even though they would never think of stealing anything from anybody.

Foner’s discussion of the Hispanic immigration was also interesting, bringing up different topics of conversation.  For example, in todays society people have been afraid that the high rates of immigration is leading to the downfall of what it means to be an ‘American’.  As more people move in from outside countries, some believe that our ideals and image of the United States will not be upheld.  I for one do not think that, I think the immigration of people into the United States is what makes us so unique, particularly New York City, where there is an enormously diverse and interesting array of people.  We have so much to learn from different cultures that discriminating against anyone purely because of the way they look would be a tremendous loss for the city and even the country.

Foner – Chapters 3 & 4

I found it interesting that a large majority of Korean immigrants do not speak to one another about their current occupation, their past occupation, and their occupation level.  This limitation is put in place by the bitterness that oftentimes accompanies a decline in prestige, as many Korean immigrants were professionals in their native country.  Foner draws attention to the “downward occupational mobility” (90) experienced by many of today’s newcomers.  As mentioned in the beginning of From Ellis Island to JFK, the new wave of immigrants is significantly more diverse occupationally and educationally when compared with the majority of immigrants that came at the turn of the century.  The phenomenon of downward economic mobility refers to situations in which immigrants take up jobs in the receiving country for which they are overqualified.  Oftentimes, such individuals are professionals (doctors, lawyers, teachers, engineers) in their home country, but take up menial jobs in New York because of “unfamiliarity with the English language and American culture” (91).  Another major factor includes the fact professional certificates from other countries are often not recognized in America.

What are the pros and cons of immigrants with limited English language proficiency taking up jobs that do not require much face-to-face interaction with patients or the public?

Further, Foner presents a lucid picture of the situation of immigrant women and the work that they do.  She draws attention to the fact that women, as a result of migration, do not necessarily escape traditional patriarchal codes and practices; gender inequalities remain intact.  I was, however, surprised to read that “More women come on their own rather than follow in the footsteps of men” (123).  I was previously unaware of the presence of women pioneer immigrants, as all of the female immigrants I know came with their families.  Foner cites the example of Jamaican women who moved to New York on their own to be live-in domestic workers; such women later sent money for plane tickets to their children and husbands.

I also found it interesting that turn-of-the-century women – in taking on homework or boarders – actually increased their responsibilities, domestic or otherwise.  Foner draws attention to the fact that women’s employment today transforms family relationships.  Husbands often help out with domestic responsibilities, thus changing the balance of power in immigrant households.

Foner: From Ellis Island to JFK Chp 3

Education is so important in America to get a good job and become successful. But for immigrants coming to this country, there is even more at stake. According to Foner today’s immigrants can be divided into two “camps”: those with college degrees and those with little education. In order for these immigrants to thrive it is so vital for them to have education. Yet the ironic thing is that many of these educated immigrants still do not get the same job opportunities they would have gotten in their own country.

Foner also compares they type os jobs of immigrants today and immigrants of the past. Many of the jobs from the 1900s required manual labor, whereas today what determines whether you are hired or even interviewed is if you have a college degree or not. Immigrants without college degrees have a very hard time finding good, well-paying jobs which is ironic considering how expensive college degrees are so even if an immigrant wanted to go to school in America, it would be very difficult.

Questions: Why are immigrants with higher education placed in these lower position jobs in America? Is it because their degrees from their home countries are not seen as prestigious or relevant to American society? Is this reflection of American prejudice against immigrants even in current society? How can we ensure that more doctors and lawyers who come to this country do not suffer the same fate?

Foner: From Ellis Island to JFK Chp 2

This chapter really coordinated with our trip to the Lower East Side. Our tour guide at the beginning of the tour had talked about how more people lived in the Lower East Side than the rest of New York during the early 1900s. I was so surprised to learn this considering that the Lower East Side is not that large compared to Manhattan but after reading about the conditions and seeing the tenements I understood why. The tenements were cramped and held families of seven or eight people. There was very poor lighting, and unsanitary conditions. It made me wonder why so many people would move to the Lower East Side once word of such horrendous circumstances spread. But then I realized that these people are coming from a foreign land and they would want to be near other people just like them, even if that means living in dirt and dilapidated homes. Also, of course, not many places of living were  offered to these immigrants and they had to take whatever opportunity they could get.

It’s interesting to see what these ethnic neighborhoods in the Lower East side have become today. While Chinatown is still thriving, other neighborhoods such as Little Italy are slowly dwindling away. Even if you look around Manhattan, besides Chinatown there are very few ethnic neighborhoods. Little Korea is only about two blocks and Little India takes over a few streets on Lexington Avenue.  Why are there so few ethnic neighborhoods left in Manhattan?

Foner: From Ellis Island to JFK Chp 1

The differences between immigrants from the early and mid 1900s to today are astounding. There are the more obvious differences, such as how the immigrants came to America. (As indicated by the title, immigrants form the 1900s took cramped, weeks long boat rides to Ellis Island, whereas today immigrants can hop on a plane to JFK). Foner, however pointed out some more intricate details that differ between the immigrants of today versus those of the 1900s. Firstly, the intentions of the two immigrants groups coming to America are vastly different. One reason Foner points out for today’s immigrants is because they can immigrate to America. During the 1900s because of all the restrictive laws placed, it was very hard for immigrants, especially from certain countries, to come to this country. Now, immigrants take advantage of the freedom they have to come to America. Also, many immigrants today come over to either find work or because they already have a job which has location in America. (This was the case with my interviewee for the oral history report). However, regardless of whether the immigrants came in the 1900s or today they all came to America in the hopes of a better and new life.

They don’t aways get the life they are searching for. Foner points out that many of the immigrants today are not poor and uneducated which was the case with most immigrants from the 1900s. Many immigrants come from their countries educated, with degrees to be doctors and lawyers. They are not always offered the same types of jobs in America and thus have to take whatever job they can get which is such a sad waste of education and talent. I wonder how we can remedy such a situation.

Emma Park-Hazel

From Ellis Island to JFK (Chapter 5)

In Chapter 5: The Sting of Prejudice, it was interesting to learn that Italians and Jews were once discriminated against as well. Today we associate them as part of the broad category of “white”. However, in the past, they were considered a separate and inferior group. This showed how racism was not always a white versus black matter. In order to assert supremacy, groups actually create hierarchies within themselves to distinguish certain individuals from others. This also shows how categorizing people and social hierarchies are almost a part of human nature, and will arise no matter the situation.

What I also found interesting was how society and the government used the same tactics to isolate groups that they saw were inferior, specifically the Jews and the Asians. For the Jews, they pointed out specific physical features and behavioral traits that were deemed unassimilable. As a result, Jews as a whole were constructed as outsiders of society, making it easier to openly discriminate against them. Similarly, for Asians, they were classified as unassimilable as well, based on cultural and language differences. As a result, it was acceptable for the government to distinguish them as a separate group, make laws against them, and exclude them from society as much as possible.

The mention of prejudice between minority groups was also interesting, especially the relationship between Asians and blacks. There seems to be a preconception of blacks that parents tend to pass on to their children from a young age. As a result, children grow up believing blacks are a group of people with certain traits and learn to not associate with them without even giving them a chance.  This shows how racism and prejudice are largely a social construction and results from a misunderstanding between groups.

-Wendy Li

From Ellis Island to JFK (Chapter 4)

In Chapter 4: Immigrant Women and Work, the sentence that I found particularly interesting was, “ The Chinese say that women hold up half the sky…” (109). Growing up, I’ve heard my mother say this phrase many times. However, as I got older I realized how this was untrue on many levels, as Foner points out as well. I thought women always did more than their share as they tried to balance family and work. Although my mother was under a great deal of stress, she had no one to complain to because she saw it as her responsibility. This phrase, I felt, was a way to empower her in her times of stress. It allowed her to keep working, knowing that what she was doing was important to the family as well.

What was also interesting in this chapter was how Foner describes how life in America increased the freedom and power of women in the household. Even though the depiction of the immigrant experience is filled with hardship and suffering, it is good to know that there were benefits that women experienced as well. This change, however, probably contributed to the assimilation of other cultures in to American culture. Women are more likely to give up their traditions, if they saw them as oppressive, and adopt the American culture and pass those ideas onto their children. Men were probably the ones to hold on to their traditions more because releasing that grasp would mean lowering the amount of power they held in the household.

-Wendy Li

From Ellis Island to JFK (Chapter 3)

In Chapter 3: The Work They Do, Foner mentions the typical job for Chinese men. I found this interesting because in Sewing Women, we focused only on the garment industry, which was the job of a woman. However, Foner goes into more detail about the men’s job in the restaurant and its rigid work schedules. It would have been interesting if Foner described what the typical workday for a male restaurant worker was. My uncle works as a chef in a restaurant and has mentioned how the conditions in the kitchen put workers at risk for certain health problems as well. Learning more about the “man’s job” would paint a more complete picture of the immigrant experience for a Chinese family in New York City.

One question I had was that if a man worked in a restaurant and performed tasks like dishwashing, waiting tables, or cooking, would he be more likely to do those tasks at home as well, rather than leaving it to the wife?

The way Foner mentions the restaurant industry also explains why Chinatown has so many restaurants. They catered first to the male sojourners who did not have women to cook for them and then later expanded to cater to the tourist industry. This makes sense and explains why Chinatown is packed with restaurants that offer all types of Chinese and Asian food in general.

-Wendy Li

Chapter 4: Immigrant Women and Work

It was appalling how even when women were able to have a life outside of the household, not much change. As the reading notes, “young women’s expanded wage-earning role in New York did not translate into economic independence or control.” It seems as though before women were able to have the liberties seen today which includes managing their own money and being completely independent of a man in the sense that they can support their own self, women in the past seemed to have been pulled back before being able to trudge forward.

-When I read the sentiment of a Russian man saying, “Thank God, I’m not a woman.’ A girl wasn’t much,” I couldn’t believe a man of the time period could say such a thing. I understand that at the turn of the last century women didn’t have many rights but that doesn’t mean to be one was somehow bad. If it weren’t for the hard household labor of women, men wouldn’t have been able to function. It was the women who cleaned, cooked, did laundry, ironed and cared for the children while their husbands went out to work. If it is just trying for me to read the list, I can only imagine how it felt for a woman of the time period to do all of those pre-mentioned tasks.

-Did men of this time period even appreciate the work that their wives did for them and the entire family?

-Ashley Haynes

Chapter 3: The work they do

-It was very interesting how even the skilled immigrants faced the same reality in America as the unskilled immigrants when they looked for work. I had naturally assumed that those who were skilled despite any language barrier they may have had would easily find a job. Usually businesses knew that they didn’t have to pay much for the labor of immigrants. During the initial waves of immigration, immigrants were eager for any monetary opportunity they could get because they needed to provide for themselves and their family. However, the reading seemed to suggest that the inability to speak English unfortunately placed all immigrant workers on the same level. In the end, it is just so sad to fathom that there was no alternative but to toil long hours at backbreaking jobs.

-“It was extremely hard to find an Italian in New York who could write his own tongue with accuracy.”

When I read about the low levels of literacy amongst Italian immigrants in their native tongue, I was shocked. When you read immigrant accounts it is common to read that they couldn’t read and write in English. However, at the very least they should be literate in their own language. Thus, this raises the question in my mind as to why such was the case. Did Italian immigrants find it pointless to learn how to read and write in their native language with the understanding that they wouldn’t need to know how once in America?

-“Today’s immigrants, therefore, can be divided roughly into two camps: those who arrive with college degrees and specialized skills, on the one hand, and those with little education and training on the other.”

Reading about and knowing that two spectrums exist in terms of the backgrounds immigrants arrive with should lead people to at the very least understand that not all immigrants who arrive could be grouped into one category. As a result, I don’t understand why the overwhelming majority of immigrants are categorized as trying to get over by draining the public system of funds. I believe that everyone deserves their proper due and this includes recognizing that immigrants not only come for economic assistance but to also help enrich America by contributing to innovation.

Questions:

Why did immigrant workers who paid for needles get fined if they broke the needle? How can you be fined for something you paid for?

-Ashley Haynes

From Ellis Island to JFK Chapter 4: Immigrant Women and Work

In this chapter, Foner focuses on comparing the immigrant women of the past, the Jews and Italians, with the immigrant women in today’s society. I was surprised to learn that women who were married in the past were compelled to stay home to take care of the children and to fulfill domestic responsibilities. In fact, “in American cultural environment, female labor was seen as a necessary evil to be tolerated only if a family was in difficult economic circumstances”(118). I remember when visiting the Lower East Side Tenement Museum, the mothers of the households had no occupations listed next to their names on the census. The tour guide explained that even if these women held jobs, it wouldn’t be listed because the norm of the society at that time was for married women to be housewives.

However, as times have changed, more women are entering the workforce. Men are also now expected to help inside the home, a responsibility that no man in the past would ever fulfill.

I found it ridiculous that some men pressured their wives to stay home because of their ego and belief of male superiority. They shouldn’t prevent their wives from working because every additional help towards the family income counts. In addition, I found it sad that some women had to reduce their incomes in order to satisfy their husband’s ego. Husbands should swallow their pride and allow their wives to hold a job and women should feel like they can make more money than their husbands. After all, in a marriage, both the wife and the husband are considered equals.

Furthermore, everyone in the household was expected to work to contribute towards the family income. Children even obtained false working papers when they did not finish their required education. I have family who were recent immigrants where each member of the family worked in order to support the entire family. My aunt and uncle work each day of the week while my two cousins work while going to college.

-Anissa Daimally

 

From Ellis Island to JFK Chapter 3: The Work They Do

In this chapter, Foner compares and contrasts the immigrants of the past, Jews and Italians, with the immigrants in today’s society and their role in the workforce. In the past, many jobs required just “brawn and muscle.” Today, the New York economy has shifted to one where jobs require college degrees. There is a shift from “blue collar jobs to professionals, managers, secretaries and service workers” (88). This can be the reason why immigrants today now come prepared with college degrees and specialized skills.

I also found a similarity between the Chinese garment industry of today and the Jewish immigrant industry of the past. Like the Chinese, the Jewish “employers preferred applicants who are recommended by existing employees” (80). This is because employers want to find the easiest and cheapest way to gain employees. Furthermore, these referred workers are under the pressure to do well because they do not want to reflect bad on their sponsors. Thus, these employers can take advantage of their workers because they know that the referred employees will not complain.

I am saddened that those immigrants who had professional jobs in their country cannot get those same jobs in the United States due to the lack of English, the lack of U.S. job experience, and the lack of network ties that would connect them to the mainstream economy. However, there is an upside to their decline in occupational status: they make more than they ever would back in their home country.

In the chapter, Foner states that “Koreans own most of the fruit and vegetable markets, even those announcing that they specialize in West Indian products” (108). I’ve actually noticed this; when walking down on Liberty Avenue, I found that most of the food markets were actually owned by Asian Americans.

-Anissa Daimally

From Ellis Island to JFK – Chapter 5

In this chapter, Foner discusses inferior races. It’s interesting to see that Asian Americans tend to associate with “White” Americans rather than with the “minorities”, even though blacks and Latinos clearly outnumber the Asian population (162). The idea that “white skin” is beautiful is prevalent in Asian culture, and it might stem from the fact that the white skin of Caucasians is superior, as we discussed in class. I remember being scolded for getting too tan, thus making me more “black”, back during the summer by my mother. She would scold me occasionally and when my tan started to fade, she would always comment that I’m becoming more “white” and says that I look much better. When I visited China during the summer, almost everyone carried around an umbrella to shield themselves from the sun to avoid getting tan. It was kind of scary how everyone wanted to be pale-skinned. In Korea, there are various types of whitening creams that whitens skin. Plastic surgery is prevalent as well; numerous girls get plastic surgery to get double eye-lids and a sharper nose. These characteristics are common in “the descendants of a genetically pure and biologically superior “Nordic” race” (144). It really does seem like Asians are “almost white but not whites”, in terms of appearance.

Foner Ch.1

In chapter one of From Ellis Island to JFK, Foner describes who the immigrants were and why and how they came.  I liked how Foner began the chapter with a quote from Emma Lazarus’s poem engraved on the Statue of Liberty which says, “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”  I think this helps the reader relate right away to what she is talking about because the Statue of Liberty is such an important symbol of our patriotism.  She also cleverly uses this to link to her point that in more recent times, not only poor and oppressed people are coming to America.  Now, people from all over the world are coming to America for different reasons.  For example, many people today come to America with degrees already earned.  Todays immigrants come from so many cultural and economic backgrounds.  People are still coming from Europe, but they are also arriving from the Caribbean.  People who are poor are still coming but so are doctors, lawyers, and engineers.

It is also interesting to see the reasons why people are coming to America.  One point Foner makes is that immigrants today come because they can.  In the past there were different immigration laws in America and other countries only allowing a certain number of people of specific races into America or out of their native countries.  Now, most people find it easier to emigrate from their countries of origin.  Other people come here to find jobs.  They may be trying to escape the governmental or economic conditions found in their homeland.  For example, people with higher degrees may not be able to find a job in their country so they come to America to seek out a place to work and make a living.  In Russia, Jewish people faced oppression making the anti-Semitism their ultimate reason for emigrating.  Whatever the reason for immigration may be, people look to America as a place where they will be able to survive and prosper.

Foner Chapter 5: The Sting of Prejudice

In this chapter, Foner describes the discrimination and prejudice that the Jews and Italians faced in the past. The racism was scientifically based upon, with renown scientists at the time supporting the discrimination with bogus scientific facts. In reality, race does not even exist; it does not exist biologically but it does exist socially. Foner states that “Race, in other words, is a social and cultural construction, and what is important is how physical characteristics or traits are interpreted within particular social contexts and are used to define categories of people as inferior or superior.” I was intrigued by this statement because it is completely true; humans let ignorance perpetuate stereotypes associated with ‘racist labels.’

However, racism is a changeable perception in society. The Jews and Italians who were once discriminated are now considered to be ‘white.’ As students mentioned in class, the targets of racism and prejudice change over time and are a result of events that are occurring in the world. For example, Muslims are the targets of prejudice due to the terrorism attacks and the wars going on in the Middle East. My teacher, who is a Muslim, was the target of unfairness. Everyday when she went into the subway and there were ‘random searches,’ she was always chosen as the  target of the random search done by the police because she wore a hijab.

Because of the racism that exists, many people have the notion that white people are superior. As Munazza Alam mentioned in the post before me, people are trying to lighten their skin because of this belief. In fact, in Jamaica, there are singers who publicize and promote skin bleaching. For example, Vybz Kartel released a song titled “Cake Soap,” in which the lyrics state that it is ‘cool’ to bleach your skin.

It was interesting to learn that the Asian immigrants are “almost whites but not whites.” This is because they come to the country with college degrees and the financial ability to purchase middle-class homes. Thus, the can fit more into the white social world. However, does this apply to Asians who are not light skinned?

-Anissa Daimally

 

 

Foner – Chapter 5

Foner draws attention to the deeply rooted sentiments of racial prejudice that existed in America during the first wave of immigration.  Justification for such racism hinged upon the idea of scientific racism, which used biological principles to supposedly prove the superiority of the white race.  Works such as Madison Grant’s The Passing of the Great Race reiterate these ideas, and serve as testaments to the strength of these bigoted views.  Grant even expresses a fear that racial mixing would dilute the purity of the Nordic race.  Such attitudes, coupled with biological explanations, worked to institutionalize racism.  The distinction that race is imposed by people, despite the fact that it does not truly exist, is perhaps Foner’s most important point.  It is also important to note that racial hierarchy stems from a history of immigration laws in the US that fostered such sentiments.

I find it interesting that this line of thinking – one in which lighter skin color is preferred – is prevalent in other races, as well; for example, South and East Asian cultures market skin-whitening creams, and value individuals who are lighter in color for their fair complexion.

Conversely, the immigrants of today are those “of color” (142), as Foner describes.  It is, however, interesting to note that the black-white distinction exists even today, whereas Italians and Jews who were previously considered as ‘other’, rather than white, were able to gain acceptance into this racial classification.  Foner attributes this change to the amelioration in socioeconomic status of these immigrants.  As they settled and progressively elevated their financial status, these immigrants seem to become ‘whiter’.

 

Nancy Foner – From Ellis Island to JFJ Chapter 2 Response

This chapter went very well with our class tour of the LES Tenement Museum. As I was reading Nancy Foner’s descriptions of the conditions that the immigrants had to face, I was immediately taken back to the cramped spaces and tight households of the tenements. Though words can manufacture very vivid descriptions, and Foner’s descriptions did provoke sharp imagery of the trying conditions that the early immigrants had to face upon their arrival to the United States, the tour of the Tenement Museum really helped me fully grasp the harsh extent of the difficulties, struggle, and inconveniences that welcomed unsuspecting immigrants. The tight spacing, the high ratio of people per square footage, and the dangerous conditions could not have been underestimated. Today, this issue of inconvenient housing and lifestyles can be circumvented much easier than during the time of the early wave of immigration. This is because more and more immigrants that come here bring with them established credentials and already-perceived statuses that help them find immediate, or at least inevitable stability. In addition to this, a lot of the immigrants are also coming here from the applications of family members that have already settled down with stable living conditions. I connected this with my own family, too. When my mom first came here with her brothers, they had to live in trying conditions similar to those described. There were too many people trying to make do in a small apartment, with only one bathroom. In contrast to this, when my uncles came here to America only a few years ago, they did not face any of these hardships. They stayed with us and were spared the burden of finding somewhere to stay, as they received a kind of help that my mother did not have, since she was one of the first in her family to come here.

On a separate note, it is always interesting to see how immigrants come to America and how they choose to settle down. Neighborhoods sort of just spring up and gradually, but naturally, start to be populated with one dominating culture. Of course, shifts occur constantly as people move in and out, yet there is always an easily perceived pattern in the changes that occur. Suffice to say, immigration and the cultural diversity it brings remains a topic of great wonder and intrigue.

– Nadera Rahman

Nancy Foner – From Ellis Island to JFK Chapter 1 Response

Chapter 1 of Nancy Foner’s From Ellis Island to JFK offered many valid points that I agreed with and was able to personally connect with. I found her discussion on the separate waves of immigration to be very elucidating, accurate, and necessary. While both waves of immigration came with people from foreign countries seeking a better life and more opportunities, the outcomes and expectations differed greatly between the two. Immigrants from the earlier wave came to America with very little specific expectations, but rather, a general hope to find a better life. They came here with very little, and thus, their ultimate goals were inevitably reached, some way or other. These immigrants were naturally more satisfied with their American experience and could probably boast of having achieved the American Dream.

In contrast to this, the second wave of immigration came with people from foreign countries with equally high hopes of having a better life, but with the difference being that many were already established and educated. They brought their talents, education, and skills here to America, and thus, they had specific goals and expectations to reach. I liked how Nancy Foner approached this idea and explained that while many of these immigrants are very well qualified, they find it hard to break through racial conflicts or long-held stereotypes. In consequence, they are left working at jobs that undermine their true skills and are left feeling like they did not achieve the American Dream. Ultimately, this is not their fault, but rather the impenetrable system that society has constructed. I connected with this well because my own father has suffered from the exact same situation that Foner described. My father was a doctor in Bangladesh and though he left behind his family and his friends, he brought with him his education, with hopes of becoming a doctor in America. He had no doubts at all and though he was afraid of how he would adjust to the new society, because of all the glamorized stories he’d heard of America, he was certain that one way or other, he would be able to achieve his goal. Now, 20 years later, after relentless studying, exams, and attempts, my father was unable to reach this goal, not because he was not qualified or educated enough, but because of the petty hindrances that came from a foreign country.

Despite this, though, my father states that although he was unable to achieve his goal, even though he had come here with such high hopes, he still believes that life in America has given him more opportunities and more stability than he could have hoped for back home. I think that this general conclusion is the same for most of the immigrants from this second wave of immigration, and this is the reason that people still want to come to America for that better life.

– Nadera Rahman

Nancy Foner Article – How Exceptional is New York?

In her article, “How Exceptional is New York?”, Nancy Foner discusses diversity in New York City, as well as its respective positive and negative features. As the two most prominent cultural hubs in the nation, Foner focuses particularly on immigration in New York City and Los Angeles, with substantial more emphasis on the former. She states that immigration promotes diversity and cooperation within different races. According to her, “New York’s remarkable ethnic and racial diversity, its immigration history, and its institutions have combined to make it a receiving city, in many ways, like no other in the United States” (Foner 1000). She emphasizes the diversity of New York City in countless ways, by highlighting its extensive ethnic diversity due to the immigrant population, as well as the many features that come with varying cultural diversity. Among such include, “the heterogeneity of skills” (1002), as well as how “officials and social service agencies actively promote events to foster ethnic pride and glorify the city’s multi-ethnic character and multi-ethnic history” (1004).

Despite the many wonderful attributes that racial diversity brings to further enrich New York City, there are still unavoidable tensions and downsides. The multitude of ethnicities and races make way for stereotypes as well as racial constructions, as “perceptions of race and ethnicity in New York [are] shaped by national trends and developments” (1004). In addition to this, there is an issue of self-identity as one may begin to question what race one really belongs to, as well as persisting tensions among various races.

Essentially, Foner explains that while cultural diversity in New York City is something that is remarkable and an inherent feature of the city, it also brings a plethora of issues that can’t be ignored or circumvented. Despite this, diversity is still something beautiful. Although the city heralds more diversity and thus more open views on various cultures than many areas in the country, we can hope that one day, the vision of the city will spread throughout the entire nation.

– Nadera Rahman

Foner Ch. 2

In chapter two of From Ellis Island to JFK, Foner describes where immigrants live.  She described where different groups lived initially and where they moved to.  The earlier immigrants lived in the Lower East Side of Manhattan; however, they started moving from Manhattan to other areas.  Newer immigrants coming in could often support a suburban home life.

Something I found interesting about this chapter is Foner’s description of the old ethnic neighborhoods.  Now, immigrants tend to live less in these types of neighborhoods; however, many of these neighborhoods still exist.  She describes old Little Italy with people speaking Italian, signs in stores advertising in Italian, and newspapers in Italian.  Most people would speak Italian, priests would be Italian, and banks would be Italian.  People living here would hold celebrations for their favorite saints where they would eat typical Italian foods.  Ultimately, they felt more at home because they were surrounded by people with their background.  I found this interesting because as I read it I could picture Little Italy in Manhattan.  It is very similar to this description although it may incorporate some diversity and the English language.  Foner describes other past neighborhoods like this as well including Jewish Brownsville and Chinatown.

I also found the descriptions of more contemporary housing interesting.  More immigrants are able to afford better housing because they came over with some education or were able to get loans.  In the 1980s Foner visited immigrants’ homes that had modern furnishings and appliances and were kept up.  Still, she describes even in that time there were more cramped living styles where someone would rent out rooms or beds in their apartment to help incoming immigrants.  Fortunately, better housing options are available today and neighbors are often helpful, but people still struggle.

Response to “From Ellis Island to JFK”, II

I was amazed by the fact that by 1910, more people lived in Manhattan than in thirty-three states. This also made me wonder how come production did not move to other states where more land was available. This would have brought some immigrants out of New York to other states as well and maybe resulted in better living conditions for them since so much more land would have been available. It is understandable that if the factories that supply more jobs stay in New York, no one will go anywhere, but it is still surprising that no visible effort was made by other states to really expand their factory businesses.
Also, I wonder what is a “shtetl” that was mentioned.

“A place that measured our success by our skill in getting away from it” is a really descriptive quote. Though it still raises a question for me, since the neighborhood this is talking about, Brownsville, is described like a Jewish area that is a lot like an exclusively Jewish town, why would someone who lives there want to go away from it? I felt like maybe the close ethnic communities where people understand each other’s customs would be more appealing in terms of network and social interaction. It sounds like, especially for a recent immigrant, being around people like themselves would make their lives easier. They also wouldn’t have to worry about things like discrimination based on their culture or recent immigrant status.

From Ellis Island to JFK (2)

After visiting the Tenement Museum, I was initially able to picture in my head exactly what the tenements Foner described looked like.  These were much different than what the television crews and media portrayed them as, until Jacob Riss and his book How the Other Half Lives.  It was surprising to me to hear that todays living conditions, for the poor immigrants from third world countries are being compared to those of this time.  Thinking back on it though, the tenements were closed during the 1930s because of government regulation of the living conditions, and because most of the tenements did not abide by these laws they were forced to close.  The government believed that a safer alternative to these unsafe tenements were other communities, known as the projects.  The projects today are known are to be less safe neighborhoods where more lower income families live today.  It is unfortunate that immigrants are still forced to live in unsafe apartments where they face more and larger burdens than those that live elsewhere throughout the city.

As opposed to the immigrants of the 1900s immigrants of today are able to move the the United States with a job set up and able to support and middle to low middle class family.  During the 10–s an immigrant had to move to the areas throughout the city with the most job opportunities so one would be able to work to make ends meet somehow.  During this time the amount of Italian and Jewish immigrants moving in to the city was very high, and although they were never topographically living in close quarters, they experienced the same things.  The Italian and Jewish immigrants lived mainly around 14th street, and in those unsafe  tenements.  Immigrants also set up ‘ghettos’ which still exist today.  Today however they are less homogenous as young and single adults are moving into areas such as Chinatown.

Ellis Island to JFK (1)

This chapter brought to my attention some interesting facts that I had not known before.  I like how Foner focused deeply on the differences between the immigrants of the early and mid 1900s and todays immigrants.  By comparing the two I was able to fully recognize their differences and understand their journeys and reasons for coming to the United States of America.  The differences in the type of immigrant from the earlier times to those of the later, and modern times were surprising.  I knew that the immigrants from the 1900s came from different areas than those that are primarily coming today.  Recently a wide variety of culture groups have been arriving in the United States and especially New York, this includes Asians, particularly Chinese; Filipino, West Indians, Hispanics, Russians and many more.  During the 1900s more Europeans had come into the United States through Ellis Island, with much less requirements than are around for those immigrating to the United States today.  Today there are much more, and a greater variety of requirements for those looking to move into this country.  It is a long process and throughout this chapter it became evident that illegal immigrants today, generally, had higher job positions than legal documented immigrants.  Learning this surprised me, because I assumed that the legal immigrants would be those who held high positions in their native country and have the money to move to the United States.

Another interesting fact was chain immigration and the idea of people following lead.  From other readings, I have learned that immigrants would write to their families and tell them of all the amazing this of the New World.  It came as a new realization that those postcards would be seen by people who were not members of the family and perhaps people working in delivering the mail.  This effect of chain immigration is a reason for many of the happenings during the 1900s and even today regarding immigration.

Foner / Chapter 2

Having visited the Tenement Museum only a week ago, Foner’s descriptions of late 19th and early 20th century living conditions were vivid in my mind.  The lack of basic necessities  including plumbing, ventilation, heating, and bathrooms made immigrant life in the Lower East Side almost unimaginable by today’s standards.  Even for the contemporary immigrant,  what immigrants faced only a century ago, does not even remotely compare to the quality of life expected when arriving in America.

For me, the most interesting aspects of this chapter, and from our tour, are the following:

1.  The difference between the living standards in the 1890’s and the 1920’s were vast.  Partly thanks the new legislation introduced in 1901 that required certain basic housing standards, the tenement experience varied greatly over a time period of only thirty years.  During our tour, the benefits of living in the 1930’s were evident.  We visited two tenements, and even though the family that lived in the 1890’s apartment was more wealthy than the family who lived in the 1920’s tenement, the 1920’s tenement was almost luxurious in comparison.

2.  In our readings we have mostly focused in NYC as a whole in terms of demographic trends.  Although we sometimes delve into specific neighborhoods, the amount of detail Foner provided regarding diversity within only the Lower East Side helped to show just how many “types” of stories there were even in one neighborhood.  Not everyone in the Lower East Side was of the same ethnicity, and even those who were each had individual paths to America, and different outcomes while living here.  Some stuck to religious and cultural traditions, while others assimilated.  Some became wealthier and moved into higher classes, but many were only able to offer social mobility to their children, while still others could not even do that much.

-Victor Rerick

Foner – Chapter 2

I found it interesting that Foner expounds upon the myths and realities regarding where American immigrants live.  Oftentimes, immigrant stereotypes stem from misconceptions about their living conditions.  Foner’s incorporation of Jacob Riis’ How the Other Half Lives further reiterates the stereotype that immigrants live in squalor and filth.  After visiting the LES Tenement Museum, I now have a better understanding of the living standards that Foner is referencing.  The immigrants of today, however, live in middle class areas; Foner attributes this difference to the fact that they arrive with more skills, and can therefore take on jobs that support such standards.  It thus becomes clear that the new wave of immigrants is more diverse in terms of class, as well as ethnicity.

A new trend among today’s immigrants is to move right in into the suburbs rather than the city first; Foner takes note that today’s immigrants are “not on the fringes” (55) of the affluent neighborhoods into which they are moving.  Further, the creation of polyethnic neighborhoods has largely prevented the formation of neighborhoods that are predominantly inhabited by one particular ethnic group.  “Little India” in Jackson Heights, as Foner details, is simply an amalgamation of businesses rather than residents.

I also found it interesting that commuting in New York was difficult, slow, and long, prior to the opening of the subways.  Today, I take it for granted that the trains are efficient – most of the time!

– Immigrants now live in more residentially dispersed areas, necessarily with coethincs; this stands in stark contrast to the “residential segregation” (40) present in 1920.  How do the residents of such neighborhood get along with their new neighbors?

 

Foner Chapter 2: Where They Live

-“Often forgotten in a haze of nostalgia are the grim realities of grinding poverty and tenement life.”

To think that a television special depicted a lady playing Mrs. Santa landing in the Lower East Side at the turn of the century and renting “a well- furnished, clean and rather spacious apartment,” was a blatant insult to those who actually lived in tenements at this time. To try and make it seem as though tenement life was ideal is to essentially ignore what the immigrants at the turn of the century had to endure. Yes the conditions aren’t something appeasing to describe but they need to be acknowledged. If it wasn’t for what the early immigrants endured in tenement apartments, who is to say that the state of lower/middle class apartments would have improved to what they are today. Multiple windows for ventilation, inside toilets and showers weren’t always a given in places of residence.

-In the summer, “except when it rained, my youngest sister and I slept on the fire escape.”

After visiting the tenement museum I couldn’t grasp how such large families could all find a place to sleep. When only half of the class was standing in a tenement apartment, it was very crowded. However, after reading that some resorted to sleeping on the fire escape, this reality only made tenement life worst. How could sleeping on a fire escape possibly be safe or good for one’s health? Then in cases where a tenement didn’t have a fire escape, did people just sit up in a chair in order to go to sleep if there wasn’t any room to lie down?

-“The massive number of immigrants arriving in recent years has helped many deteriorating neighborhoods make a comeback.”

Nowadays, people seem to forget the true nature of vitality that immigrants bring to the US, when they come. However, the fact that Foner highlighted upon the neighborhoods immigrants have migrated to and thereby turned into a thriving community once again, spoke volumes. Immigrants are just as valuable to America as native-born citizens are.  Immigrants not only integrate their culture and cuisine but also help to uplift the economic state of once desolate neighborhoods that natives have deserted.

From Ellis Island to JFK (Chapter 2)

In this chapter, Foner continues to discuss the differences between the old immigrant and the new immigrant. Putting the old immigrant and the new immigrant side by side is interesting because it makes it easier to see the similarities and differences between their experiences in America. The chapter was also very interesting because it mentioned many of the things we studied about in class. It mentioned the Lower East Side Tenement Museum as well as information Joe Salvo discussed in his talk. I was also able to relate the information Foner gave about the ethnic neighborhoods and tenements to sights we saw at the museum. For example, Foner mentioned how the segregation of ethnic neighborhoods during the past wave of immigrants was very prevalent. During the tour, it was also mentioned that as a result of this segregation, people were often less safe if they trekked into another neighborhood. In addition to this, I was able to see the condition of the tenements myself; so while reading, those images supplemented the text and gave me a greater understanding of how the immigrants lived when they first arrived. What was shocking however was that some of today’s immigrants live in even worse conditions.

What was also interesting about this chapter was that the changes in immigrant groups and the constant inward and outward migration of people from certain neighborhoods are still relevant today. This movement of people keeps the housing market thriving and helps to fill in vacancies created by whites who leave or die out from a neighborhood. These changes are visible. One neighborhood on Staten Island, near the middle of the island, has a high number of Koreans and Asians. People still move there because they know there is a bigger Asian community there.

-Wendy Li

From Ellis Island to JFK Chapter 2

-I thought it was interesting how many New Yorkers have the idea that new immigrants live in poor ethnic neighborhoods and slum conditions. This belief is partially true. For example, there are reports of Mexican immigrants inhabiting tunnel-like spaces behind buildings in Washington Heights and Koreans renting bedspace by time. However, while some immigrants continue to live in “squalid housing,” many immigrants skip this step and move into lower-middle class neighborhoods. This is because they have entered the United States with the skills and resources that would support this type of lifestyle.

– I found that tenement life in the place was deplorable. The apartments were divided into small rooms in which families had no choice but to sleep anywhere, such as on the ground and on chairs. Furthermore, there were no private bathrooms, or running water. I was able to see this conditions firsthand on the trip to the LES Tenement Museum. I was shocked to see the bathroom which only consisted of a dirty toilet and to hear that they were forced to shower in communal baths.

-Despite living in grim conditions, immigrants tried their best to make their apartments visually appealing. “Immigrants often went to great lengths to clean and decorate their apartments, fixing up their parlors with curtains, mirrors, and bric-a-brac.” This was evident in the Tenement Museum. I saw layers of linoleum on the floor and multiple layers of wallpaper on the walls.

-I was shocked to learn that the Jews faced Anti-Semitism and were openly excluded from Jackson Heights (when this neighborhood began). It’s ironic that this immigrant group left their homeland to escape discrimination, and they still came to face it in New York.

-I was intrigued to learn that the Jews and Italians were rarely neighbors. “Most blocks were heavily dominated, if not exclusively populated, by one or the other immigrant group.” Why did this occur? Why couldn’t there be interracial mixing of neighborhoods?

– I thought it was interesting that Foner mentioned that Richmond Hill is an enclave for East Indian immigrants. This area is dubbed “Little Guyana” since many Guyanese immigrants live here.  Being Guyanese, I used to visit this area every week when I was small. This area actually did feel like “Little Guyana” since there are many West Indian stores located on this avenue. Furthermore, many Guyanese residents would walk the avenue every weekend to do their grocery shopping and to socialize.

 

From Ellis Island to JFK – Chapter 2

The beginning of Chapter 2 introduces an how and where the immigrants lived. Thomas Kessner, an immigrants, could not live outside the borough of Manhattan. All the jobs were in Manhattan – so he had to be close to that source if there were any new opportunities or job openings. The commuting time would be too long as well; it just wasn’t practical for an immigrant to live far away from where the jobs were, which were in Manhattan. So, this brought on the crowding of immigrants in Manhattan, particularly the lower east side. Nowadays, living in Manhattan is reflective of having money. With the commute time cut down, more immigrants can live outside of the Manhattan. Although the lower east side (particularly Chinatown) is still cheaper than the rest of Manhattan, it is still more expensive than living in the other boroughs. I find it interesting that with the development of technology, the groups that live in the boroughs switched.

Foner describes the clear distinction of racial neighborhoods of the Italians and the Jews, even though they might be geographically next to each other. It’s interesting that “a block that may have been ethnically mixed in 1905 was almost certainly in a transitional stage, soon to be dominated by one group in 1925”. This reminded me of the conflict theory in which “diversity fosters out-group distrust and in-group solidarity” when blocks were rarely shared by Italians and Jews; it was always one or the other group. It’s vastly different than today, in Berger’s reading whereas Ditmas Park has residents of different ethnicities living right next door to each other. In Ditmas Park, there was never a majority of one ethnicity, but groups of minorities. Foner speaks of how Jacob Riis would still be turning in his grave at the site of the immigrants still living in squalid housing, but in other aspects, we have come a long way since segregation.

Foner

Nancy Foner reading 1-Talking points

-Throughout the United States, blacks are “quintessentially racialized Americans, with their special position of disadvantage rooted in two hundred years of African slavery and a hundred years of state-sponsored discrimination”

-Given the extremely low levels of education and high poverty rates among foreign-born Cambodians, Laotians, and Hmong, these groups do not fit the “model minority” stereotype of Asians, which flourishes in cities like NY.

-The growing number, and significance, of Hispanics and Asians in the past few decades in NY, as elsewhere in the nation, have led to a move away from thinking about race as a matter of black and white.

-alternate side parking regulations were suspended on 34 legal and religious holidays in 2005, included the Asian Lunar New Year, Purim and Passover, and the feast of the assumption, the Muslim holiday of id-al-Adha, and the Hindu celebration of Diwaii.

-class and ethnicity tend to overlap in ways that cumulate advantages for euro-Americans, who set the standard to which others aspire.

From Ellis Island to JFK – Chapter 1

I find it really amazing that there is a vast difference between the salaries of people in different countries. In the first chapter it states that “in 1987, the minimum monthly salary for fulltime work in the United States was six times higher than that in the Dominican Republic; by 1991 it was thirteen times higher,” and that most things were taken for granted here in the United States. While that is true the fact that a woman who used to work in a large urban hospital in Brazil made five times more than what she used to by being a babysitter in New York is astounding. Then this spirals into a huge snowball, with the news spreading everywhere in the other countries like a virus. Immigrants are flooding to America with hopes and dreams, and if some of them failed, there were still their friends and families who had been there before they had to soften their fall. That was what happened to my family, even now. My parents had immigrated here in the late 1900s, before any of my relatives. After I was born, more and more of my relatives started coming in from China. During these past two years, my relatives from my mother’s side started flying out to New York. We were the safety net for my other relatives, much like how it was described in the book.

I find it really disheartening that immigrants who had been qualified for their jobs before could not get the same jobs in America. It reminded me slightly of the recents newspaper article that the returning veterans couldn’t get a job even though they were promised one, even if they were skilled in that area in the army. In a way, I feel like that is a bit both unfair and fair. Fair because maybe the education is really different, and just because you were skilled in another country doesn’t mean that you will be skilled in America; unfair because they have already had the education and skills to have a job, but are being denied one.

From Ellis Island to JFK (Chapter 1)

In the first chapter of Foner’s From Ellis Island to JFK, she discusses the new wave of immigrants coming into New York today. This was interesting because it dispels the previous notions of immigrants that people hold. The immigrants of the past were not all uneducated and from the lowest parts of society. Many of them possessed some kind of specialized skill. What I found to be the most interesting, however, was the descriptions of today’s immigrants, many of which were probably professionals in their home country. It is unfortunate that these immigrants to New York are still stereotyped as uneducated, when the reason they cannot find a suitable job based on their skills is because of restrictions placed on them by society.

The way new immigrants arrive to the United States today is also remarkably different than past immigrants. Only a short trip on an airplane separates an immigrant from the life he/she hopes to live. However, not everyone can come to America whenever they please. Those that try to enter illegally face much hardship in gaining access to the opportunities in America. But the act of trying, despite these difficulties, is remarkable. Even after centuries of immigration, people still see America as the door to a better life. People from all over the world still want to come to America and be a part of the American life. In a way, this shows how the American culture has become something significant in itself.

-Wendy Li

Chapter 2

The first thing that caught my attention was that Foner mentions at length Jacob Riis’ work How the Other Half Lives, which is on our reading list. I have not had a chance to read it yet, however it is certainly interesting to read about the drastic differences between Riis’ experiences in the late 1800’s to today’s immigrant patterns. Foner discusses how in modern times, immigrants don’t always end up in crowded housing like they did years before. Many immigrants are able to immediately move into more expensive housing than they would have been able to in Riis’ time, and even those who aren’t don’t live in squalor the way they did earlier. Single-ethnic communities do exist, but now so do heavily mixed communities even within new immigrants. My question is, is this simply because those arriving are socioeconomically better off than their predecessors or are there other factors in play here?

As Foner did in the first chapter by describing specific immigrants group and who they are, why the came here, and how they were received when they did, Foner goes on to describe the specific groups in relation to where and how they lived after they first arrived. She says that “despite grim conditions” many immigrants decorated their apartments a lot. And although many were living in close quarters with many others in their families, they often took on more people to live with them to make more money. Foner says that there were many problems with the boarders that people took on, including jealousy in marriage if a boarder became attracted to the host’s wife.

Chapter 1

I particularly liked the following lines “The reasons why millions have left their homelands to come to America are complex and multifaceted. It has always been too simple to see immigration to this country as a quest for liberty and freedom. Nor is the move inevitably an escape from hunger and want, as the occupational backgrounds of many of today’s newcomers make clear” (9). I have always wondered at the American stance on those who emigrate to here because as we know from the past, and as Foner points out, those who came didn’t always (or even usually) find equality or freedom.

Foner discusses the different groups who have come to America, and their subgroups. This, I think, is an interesting and more correct way of looking at things as often times peoples who are vastly different are still lumped together when talking about American immigration. She mentions the variety in not only ethnicity, but also in socio-economic classes and occupations which has been discussed in various other readings this semester.

Foner discusses illegal immigration and states that the ratio of the undocumented to the legal foreign-born is low, even in New York City. She goes on to state that those immigrants who do come here, aren’t always the scum of their former countries as some may assume, often they have college degrees.

From Ellis Island to JFK Chap 1

-In this chapter, Foner focuses on where immigrants came from, why they came, and how they arrived. It was interesting to learn of the different reasons as to why immigrants left their home country. Some immigrants were escaping political and religious oppression while others were escaping a bad economy. It is interesting to note that many of these factors that influence immigrants to leave their hometown are similar to those of immigrants in the past, the Russian Jews and the Italians.

-Foner mentions that those that are highly educated and that held high professional jobs in their homeland sometimes come to this country and take jobs that they are overqualified for. Is this because their licenses from their home country do not work in this United States? If so, I don’t see why they cannot practice their profession in the U.S. if they are qualified. Is there a way for these immigrants to keep their high professional jobs in the United States instead of having to work up the “ladder?”

-I was surprised to learn that a Brazilian woman who worked as a nurse in her homeland was paid less than the salary she received as a babysitter in the United States. This shows how bad the economy is in their homelands and why the immigrants chose to leave their homeland for a better opportunity in the United States.

-I was appalled to learn of the immigrant journey to the United States. “Passengers were crammed together in dark, crowded, unsanitary, and foul-smelling quarters on tiers of iron bunks with straw mattresses.” They had to pick insects out of their food and were forced to use vile bathrooms. They were living like animals during a trip that lasted around two weeks. What was shocking was that they were not traveling illegally; it was a legal immigration process! This is a drastic comparison as to how people now travel to the United States by an airplane. It was mentioned that an undercover agent from the Immigration Commission was on one of these voyages. Did her report make a significant change to these unsanitary conditions?

-I found it ridiculous that people in the past were denied entry to the United States because they were illiterate or they had physical injury. I was shocked to learn that Matteo, an immigrant from Italy, was denied entry to the United States by Italy because he had an injured eye. Restrictions into the country shouldn’t be based on literacy or physical injury.

-Anissa Daimally

Foner Chapter 1

-Foner did a really good job dispelling many known misconceptions regarding trends in immigration. I felt as though it was really important for her to say that not all immigrants who come to the US are poor as the quote of the Statue of Liberty helps attest to. Such a belief lessens the great nation that the US is by essentially labeling America as the poor man’s country. America is just as prominent of a magnet for the intellectual, innovative classes of immigrants as for those without. As Foner states, “the ethnic diversity of today’s immigrant population is matched by the variety of their occupational and class backgrounds.” Not only are there the poor farmers but physicians and scientists as well.

-The section in which Foner depicts how most immigrants came was really an eye opener. The depiction of the immigrants on the steerage part of the ship was deplorable: un-mopped compartments, worm infestations, foul odor. It made me wonder how after such a traumatic experience did these immigrants manage to pass the health test to gain citizenship. Then, on the ship where the Immigration Commission sent out an agent to investigate these conditions, did the agent realize a large amount of immigrants present on these ships fail physical health test? If so what were the numbers?

-When I read that steamship companies had resorted to conducting their own test on immigrants, I felt as though who are they to judge who will get rejected citizenship. I understand that it cost money to return rejected immigrants but was it really that much of a burden. I find it very suspicious that the Italian ports rejected more than 35,000 intending emigrants compared to the much smaller number of 4,707 rejected at Ellis Island between 1904 and 1905.

-Ashley Haynes

 

Foner Chapter 1: Two thoughts

1.   The concept of being “white’ is a general one that is often used to encompass many, mostly European, immigrant groups.  But when the groups first arrived in new York they were rarely considered to be white because they were marked as foreigners as most immigrants are.  It is only through a gradual and subtle process that each group of European immigrants, including German, Irish, Italian, French, British, etc.  become labeled as such.  What is this process?  Does it vary from group to group or is their a consistent process of going from “italian” to “white”  or “german” to “white”.

2.  A complex problem involving highly educated immigrants is their struggle to find high paying and prestigious jobs in America.  Many immigrants, especially those in Foner’s “second wave”, are particularly well educated and in some cases even wealthy.  But many immigrants are forced to forfeit their careers in medicine, government, and law simply because their degrees are not honored in America.  Is there a conceivable solution to this problem that would allow immigrants to more easily integrate into the “white collar” workforce, or will immigrants be forever subject to re-climbing the socio-economic ladder?

-Victor Rerick

From Ellis Island to JFK – Ch. 1

– Why are undocumented Dominican immigrants more likely to have been professionals and managers in the Dominican Republic?  This point seems counterintuitive to me, especially since Foner made a point about the “the richest of the rich and the poorest of the poor…[being] unmoved or unable to move” (p. 15).

– Immigrants that are well educated sometimes cannot find a job in America that matches their qualifications; they thus take up jobs for which they are are underpaid and overqualified.  How can this discrepancy be resolved?  Is it possible to reconcile the exapnsion of higher education with high-level jobs?

– Foner highlights the stark contrast between the migrants from the first wave of immigration in the United States and the immigrants of today.  I found it particularly interesting that the immigrants of today come from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.  Foner draws attention to the fact that newcomers to America include both those that are lightly educated and those that are low-skilled and poorly educated.  Over the years, I have noticed that my own group of friends and family that came from India or Pakistan occupy a wide range of occupations and usually have “high levels of educational attainment,” as Foner elucidates in Chapter 1, thus adhering to the truth of this statement.

– I found the description of the migration process as a movement that is “self-perpetuating” to be quite interesting.  This characterization sheds light upon the way in which immigration patterns of the past exert an influence on present immigration patterns.  I see this fact readily apparent in the ways in which a large majority of my own family and acquaintances have come to New York: those that are already here sponsor other family and friends, and also encourage them with their favorable descriptions.

Response to “From Ellis Island to JFK”

1. Is “offensive foreign political ideology” that barred entrance to New York for immigrants in the early 20th century referring to only communism or were there more political ideologies people here were afraid of? Also, how could one tell that a prospective immigrant had those ideologies?

2. Who were the people that were “likely to become public charges” that were not allowed to come into New York? The book mentioned criminals and the mentally ill were not allowed in, and then said that those likely to become public charges were also prohibited from entering the US. Who were the people that were put into this category and how were they judged?

3. “Steamship lines no longer channel immigration into New York, yet the presence of large numbers of friends and relatives continues to attract immigrants to the city and the surrounding region. Once an immigrant community develops, it tends to expand as compatriots are on hand to offer newcomers a sense of security and the prospect of assistance.” I felt like this statement disagreed with the Putnam article, since Putnam emphasized how people got more isolated when they immigrated to a diverse place and even felt less connected to those of their own ethnicity. In this Foner book, immigration sounds like one is going to a country where they have lots friends and even though it is true for some people, I still doubt it is more friends than they at home. What I mean to emphasize is that I doubt most people feel like they are coming to a place where they have more friends than they had before, since this quote makes it sound like it is the amount of friends and relatives that attracts immigrants. I think the aforementioned jobs and strength of currency are really the driving forces in immigration, and if people happen to have friends in the US as well they are just lucky like that.

How Exceptional is New York?

Nancy Foner defines multiculturalism as the coexistence of plural cultures or cultural diversity, and discusses the peculiar and unique way in which New York has evolved according to this multiculturalism.  She brings up an interesting point that what happens in New York has the potential to bring on great change throughout the United States of America.  Our one super diverse city put together of thousands and millions of people has the ability to make a change throughout the whole nation, which includes much more people.  This makes sense though because whether or not the immigrants are moving out of New York today, about 10% of all foreign born people throughout the nation have at one point within their lives lived in New York City, and this is not counting people who migrated to New York City from other states.  However, New York is not representative of the whole United States as people are characterized differently in different part throughout the nation.  Non-Hispanic-whites for example are known as ‘white’ in New York, while they are known as Anglo in California.  This brings up an interesting point, that even though New York City maybe the most multicultural city in the nation, it does not sum up our country, it is one sect of it.  New York seems to still hold true the idea of the ‘United States,’ whose streets were said to paved with gold and accepting everyone no matter where they come from.  This is especially true when some compare Los Angeles to NYC, in New York there is more appreciation for foreigners, while in LA there is a cool and put off attitude when it comes to foreigners.  In New York City, even political leaders have reached out to accommodate those foreign born, and parades and festivals, made possible through social service agencies, are held for almost all of the cultural groups.

Response to “How Exceptional is New York?”

1. How does Foner know so precisely how many Hispanics identify themselves as black in the census? I thought the census was the source for demographics in the city.

2. What “official multicultural policies” did Canada adopt that the United States did not?

3. I like that this article brought up how even though New York is known for its diversity, it is still “not an island” and is therefore influenced by United States as a whole. It made me realize how even though that must be true, especially since New York has to obey federal laws, I still feel like it is hard to define New York based on observations of the rest of the United States since New Yorkers develop their own views on race and culture by seeing the city around them. Even Los Angeles has a different experience with immigration than New York, so it would be hard for the rest of the United States to change NY’s mind on something related to cultural diversity. The daily experience of New Yorkers with cultures and immigration is what will mostly define their opinions, so even though New York is “not an island”, I think it has too much firsthand experience to be influenced by those who don’t.

Response to Foner

What really stood out to me in the Foner reading is the clear indication that even when compared to other cities that house many immigrants, such as Los Angeles, Miami, which has taken in many Cubans over the years, and a number of cities in Texas and California, which continue to see an influx of Mexican immigrants, New York stands out. Not only has New York been the center of immigration to the U.S., a title which is arguably still holds, but New York’s immigrant population has allowed for a fusion of culture incomparable to any other. The “creative multiculturalism” that Foner says exists in New York is made possible my large city institutions, like the CUNY, in which the children of immigrants from countries all over the world interact daily, learning about each other’s heritage. Within this diversity, one often encounters an aspect of someone else’s culture that influences one to do something differently, whether it is to go the extra mile, or sleep the extra hour. As Foner explains, this mixing of culture gives rise to new forms of popular culture and, as I interpret it, adds a whole new dimension of possibility and opportunity that only New York can offer. I wonder how drastically an analysis of the immigration trends in New York in recent years would change Foner’s interpretation because much has changed over the past few years. How exceptional is New York in 2013 as compared to 2005 or 1997? Is it still exceptional? It certainly is. Is it as phenomenally different from the rest of the metaphorical pack? Perhaps it is, but in a very different way.

 

Having read Foner’s piece, I can’t help but ask, can there be a definition of “American” that can be agreed upon by at least a slim majority of the U.S? Additionally, can one define the term “New Yorker”?

Foner Response

From a social science perspective, Foner’s decision to frame her research on a city-scale, rather than a national one, allows her to focus on what makes immigration patterns in New York so unique.  She discredits the notion that the nation state should serve as the unit of analysis when measuring immigration.  Rather than using the “city as a constant” method,  she compares and contrasts the institutions between cities that determine the nature of the immigrant experience in each.  For example,  she demonstrated the impact of the City University of New York on the education opportunities provided to new immigrants in New York.  This massive, and relatively  affordable institution, has allowed millions of immigrants passing through New York to obtain higher education levels.  Apart from personal enrichment, this allows immigrants to pursue careers with higher wages, provide for their family, and stimulate the city’s economy.  The absence of a city-wide university with a mission of affordability in other cities such as Chicago prevents low-income students, a demographic that most immigrants fall into, to move to that city and pursue desired educations and careers.

Apart from eduction, law-enforcement, medical, and judicial systems  cause a vast disparity in every American city’s “openess” to immigrants.  New York has historically placed an emphasis, through both its social institutions and economic budget, on encouraging immigrants to travel to the city.  The fluctuation of immigrants in and out of the city, as Joe Salvo observed in his talk, lends an important energy to the city.  Certain groups leave neighborhoods and new  ones emerge to take their place, changing the cultural fabric of an area seemingly overnight.  Although this transition of immigrants in and out of New York is expensive for the state, it is essential to maintaining the cultural diversity that makes New York an exceptional city on both a national and global scale.

-Victor Rerick

Foner Response

Nothing was set in stone when cities were created. So, New York City wasn’t planned to be a city where immigrants would travel to. It is particularly interesting that immigrants in fact, did come to New York City. An interesting part of Foner’s article is that when Foner stated how politicians started appealing to the other ethnic groups in order to gain a favorable impression of themselves, it clicked in my brain that that meant that immigrants were truly there to stay. That meant that there were enough of the immigrants to make that much of an impact on New York City, and that there were that many immigrants who had the decision to change or improve what they could of New York City because politicians like Bloomberg tried to appeal to them. It meant that they were actually important and not people that could be used and then tossed away.

I agree with Foner’s statement that “the city is not, of course, a racial paradise”. Even though New York City is commended for being so racially diverse, it doesn’t mean that people of different races can get along well with one another. Even out on the streets, you can see, more often than not, people of the same race together rather than mixed race groups. Of course, that doesn’t mean that they don’t have friends of different races. For example, in my high school, although most people were friendly with everyone, you could still see clear racial groups. This is however, probably different from the reason that Foner states in the reasons following the statement. Foner states that it is because of discrimination and prejudice that people of different races stray away from one another and although that might still be happening these days, it’s not as drastic as it was back then when immigrants first came.

Foner Response

Nancy Foner’s article was interesting in that it outlined what made New York so different from other immigrant cities in the United States, such as Los Angeles. She compares the social structure of the two cities and points out how New York’s history of receiving immigrants has allowed it to develop organizations and institutions based on immigrant culture. What I found especially interesting was how she compared the nature of the flow of immigrants, which helped to construct how they were received in the city. More educated and skilled immigrants were better received.

Foner also mentions the model minority myth associated with Asians in NYC and discusses how this concept is less prevalent in cities where Southeast Asians, who may be less educated, are the majority. The myth is represented as a positive label. However, the view that Asians are a model minority group actually prevents the group from getting equal treatment when it comes to social assistance.

-Wendy Li

Truthful

Everyone knows that New York City is the way it is because of the people that come into it, but I did find Foner’s way of explaining why the City is so unique to be quite interesting. Firstly, Foner stated that the mixing of nationalities is the root of having both high and low skilled workers in NYC. I think this is an interesting way to look at things because essentially this means that Foner thinks that immigrants from certain countries will have higher skilled workers than others. I don’t know if I fully agree with this, but I do think that it’s an interesting way to look at things. Secondly, Foner explored the perceptions of race and ethnicity. Foner stated that what was going on in the entirety of the United States influenced what went on in New York City in addition to the influence from the immigrants constantly pouring into NYC. I think that perceptions, especially pre-perceptions and stereotypes, are really important to think about when thinking about New York City because there are so many different types of people living among each other and if all one does is think about what a person is supposed to be like based off their ethnicity, then it is impossible to get to know a person. In all, I found Foner’s reading to be truthful.

Foner Response

Foner wrote that the immigrant experience is shaped by the city people live in and the effects of particular social, political, and economic institutions and structures on the options available to these people.  She also said that there are other influences, such as the immigrants’ skill composition, the diversity of the groups, and the timing of arrival.  I agree with Foner on these aspects, and I believe that part of the reason that many immigrants thrive in New York City is because it is so rich in these institutions.  For example, New York City is a huge economic center in the country with many large and small businesses thriving.  There are also many educational opportunities here.

I thought it was interesting to see that different areas of the country consider there to be different degrees of “Blackness.”  This can cause people in different cities to push against the negative stereotypes that many black people face.  This can be beneficial to our country.  I also found it interesting to see that there is a separation among the different Latino or Hispanic groups.  Different parts of the country prefer either of the terms.  Also, within these groups, the smaller subgroups of nationalities often do not want to be associated with one another.

“How Exceptional is New York?” Response

1. I found the contrast of how various  groups were perceived in New York City as opposed to other major cities in the United States very interesting. For instance, the distinction between Cubans as a separate entity and the greater category of Hispanics changes with location; in Miami for example Cubans are identified in a group all by themselves because they comprise a considerable portion of the hispanic populations. Naturally, in different areas of the country (i.e. Texas) the term “Hispanic” has different implications as to a specific race. Another interesting contrast exists between NYC and California where the “model minority” stereotype does not apply. Rather, the people of the predominantly Southeast Asian population are considered to be “freeloaders”. Finally the last distinction to interest me was the “black” v. “African” distinction that exists in NYC but seems to be lacking elsewhere in the country. Do these differences affect where certain groups settle and migrate to within the country?

2. How does the identity of “the New Yorker” differ from the identity of the “American”? Is there really a significant cultural distinction?

Foner Reading

1.  I recently watched a documentary about interracial children and how they identify themselves. Foner brings up the census and the limited options of what to choose when picking race. So many races are either not represented or misrepresented such as the light skinned Cubans. This is a dilemma that these interracial children in the documentary faced. They did not know what ethnicity to check off and it made them very insecure about their own biracial status.

2. I liked when Foner was talking about CUNY and how students of all different ethnicities are able to come together there. In my sociology class. we talked about how students of all ethnicities feel the ability more to be themselves and represent their culture as opposed to a private college where many students who come from ethnic backgrounds feel like they have to change to fit in.

Emma Park-Hazel

Foner Response

1. I found Foner’s discussion of New York City’s vs Los Angeles’ welcoming level fascinating. While NYC has become an immigrant mecca, LA is still working on adjusting to newcomers. Foner explains that LA has been a majority Anglo city until more recently, when large amounts of the undocumented moved into the city. Her observations relate to the stereotypes that I have of New York vs Los Angeles. As a performer, when I think of LA I think of the film industry and how they are less enthusiastic about color blind casting, and instead strive to reach visual cohesion in terms of race. Whereas in NYC, where theater is more dominant, it is not as uncommon to see a black actor play the biological father of a white actress’ character.

2. I liked Foner’s explanation of how students of different national backgrounds are all able to communicate with each other in schools such as our very own CUNY campuses. However, she also describes how sometimes groups of students that share a language other than English will gather and speak in that tongue, thus excluding several students who are not capable of speaking in said tongue. Instead of viewing this as something negative, I think it’s amazing that the students are able to even find others like themselves, and that priding themselves in their similarities is not hurtful.

Foner and Chin Readings

Questions and interesting points:

– How does someone know if the person conducting the study (or interviewing) is psychologically appropriate for the task?

– There are non-trivial elements in this training that are more important than one would expect: for example the fact that one needs to make sure the “voluntariness” element is present at all times.

– Does anyone check throughout the research that what was promised is getting done, and that nothing is shady?

How can this help my research:

– I would try to find neighborhoods in which Chinese immigrants aren’t permanent residents and/or are part of older generations (perhaps make comparison with residents and/or younger generations?).

– I’d try to find younger generation individuals willing to introduce us to their elder family members

Sara Camnasio

Ashley Haynes: Foner Response

Foner: How Exceptional is New York?

QUESTION

1. On pg.1008, it states that there is a dominance of Cubans who are phenotypically white or light skinned in the Miami metropolitan area. When they identify themselves as white, how does the census account for this? How are they are able to report that actual native Cubans claim to be white? Does the government essentially take the reported data in the returned census forms with a grain of salt? Do they send out workers to estimate the validity of these forms?

2. If someone is born from an interracial couple, how do they factor in when they are included in the population count via their census forms? Isn’t there just as many interracial individuals as there are people born from parents of the same race?

Comments:

-New York, the mecca of America, is the quintessential immigrant city with a long history of ethnic succession and immigrant inclusion. New York’s history shows that foreign-born individuals help to add diversity to our country and people in hindsight seem not to mind. People from all walks of life always gather for events such as the West Indian Day Parade, as the article mentioned. As a result, I don’t understand why political leaders refuse to agree on national immigration legislation. Congress passed the Dream Act. Why can’t the same be done for immigration laws?

-Although their actions were very subtle, Mayor Bloomberg and former Mayor Fiorello Laguardia helped pave forth the New York welcoming way. Mayor Bloomberg didn’t necessarily have to hold a campaign spot in Spanish but understanding the demographic make-up of the city, he accommodated. Likewise, former Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia didn’t just speak in the native language of the immigrant population; by visiting Israel, Italy and Ireland, he showed his intentions were pure by going firsthand to learn the culture of his newly migrated citizens.

Race and Identity

– Foner’s article draws attention to the fact that the census is only as accurate as the information volunteered by those filling it out.  Foner cites the example of light-skinned Cubans in Miami who identified themselves as white on the 2000 Census so as to disassociate themselves from the stigma of “less successful” (1008) Hispanics.  I have a light-skinned Cuban friend who attests to this disassociation; he remarks that, in Cuba, he always identified himself as white – personally and on paper.  However, in New York, he finds himself checking off “Hispanic” when filling out the ethnicity box on forms.  This change, he explains, is driven mostly by the fact that he realizes others here view him as Hispanic.  It thus becomes clear that cultural views of race shape an individual’s self-perception and play a pivotal role in explaining why the census may or may not be completely accurate.

– Foner’s discussion about the second generation’s interactions with native whites and minorities sheds light upon cultural assimilation patterns that vary among ethnic groups.  Foner points out that the formation of multi-ethnic groups emerges as students from different backgrounds develop friendships with one another and consequently form “a new kind of multiculturalism” (1017).  This type of inclusion is a marked characteristic of New York, perhaps validating the exceptional nature of this city.  Foner highlights the City University of New York as one manifestation of this type of multiculturalism.  Indeed, the diversity of CUNY students is made readily apparent by the variety of languages that can be heard spoken in the halls of Hunter!  Further, new immigrants to New York are provided with a multitude of educational opportunities through the CUNY system.

– How can students access demographic information about second generation children and their lifestyle choices?  How can a researcher gather such information to gain unskewed data?

Foner Response-Anissa Daimally

Questions
1. There are four main groups of ethnicity according to Foner: Asian, White, Black and Hispanic. On many college applications, these are the only choices given to students to check off. What if you do not belong to any of these ethnicities? How does one define himself/herself?
2. Why is there a feud between African Americans and Hispanics? These two groups are competing for representation but is there another reason for the conflict?
3. Why is it that Los Angeles has more unskilled foreign workers than high-skilled foreign workers?

Comments
– The feud between African Americans and Hispanics seem to occur more in states in the Southwest and in Miami, Florida. Foner explains that these two groups are “in direct competition for representation on school boards and city councils and in other local arenas of power.” I feel that is wrong for some African American leaders to reject “the legitimacy of Latinos’ calls for affirmative action, arguing that it was created to redress the wrongs of slavery, not to benefit immigrants, and that Latinos are latecomers who did not engage in civil rights struggles.” Latinos did take part in the civil rights movement, such as the Chicano Movement. They fought for their civil rights, just as the African Americans did.
-Whenever I took state exams or filled out my college applications, I was asked to mark down my race/ethnicity. However, my race was not present on the forms. Because of this, I felt that my race did not matter. I feel that there should be more options for race and ethnicity.
-I found it interesting that Los Angeles has more unskilled foreign workers than high-skilled foreign workers. New York, however, has an equal ratio of unskilled foreign workers to high-skilled foreign workers.